Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 20:58:32 ET
Posted by: Heat vs. Mavericks, NBA Finals

Not a basketball fan per se, but Michael McDonald just sang the National Anthem to open the series. Kewl.

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 17:36:42 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

@ "setlist help": as you requested here is the "request night" setlist from Chicago 9-4-09. (I was in attendance)...As you will see the setlist was pretty standard for that tour...only a few "new" or "rare" tunes. I am going to request night in NYC in Sept. and hoping for some different tunes this time around.

9-4-09 Chicago Theatre Chicago IL

1. Teenies Blues
2. Black Friday
3. Aja
4. Hey 19
5. Peg
6. Dirty Work
7. Bodhisattva
8. Rikki Don't Lose That Number
9. Home at Last
10. Dr. Wu
11. Any Major Dude
12. Do It Again
13. Itchin' in my Heart/Band Intro
14. Babylon Sisters
15. Parker's Band
16. Black Cow
17. Josie
18. Don't Take Me Alive
19. Kid Charlemagne
20. E. Reelin' in the Years ('72)

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 17:25:53 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

@Lurker Ray and the Devil known as Gabe,

Thanks very much for the HD "Day Glow Freaks." This will take it up another notch.

@setlist help, for what it's worth,
Dawn of Dan-era B-sides (literal, not figurative) ; )

Through With Buzz, Any Major Dude Will Tell You, Pearl of the Quarter, Razor Boy, Fire in the Hole, Only a Fool Would Say That.

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 15:18:00 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

hmm on second though, maybe "Dawn" sounds better. The poster below names the popular ones, but there are many more slots leftover for gems...

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 15:13:01 ET
Posted by: setlist help, Boston

Help needed on picking which Boston show to go to. How many songs do you anticipate they will play?

Also, can any of you please provide the set lists from previous "Request" nights?

My feeling is not to choose "Request" since I've seen the Dan twice already, and they'll likely play the typical during that night.

Which leaves Dawn and Royal Scam. If Dawn included Katy Lied, I'd be more intrigued. But it doesn't and is likely to include many of the blander, more radio-friendly Dan tunes.

As for Royal, I haven't heard Caves, Sign in, or Haitian live, and I love those tunes, but the rest I have heard (Don't Take, Charlemagne , Green Earrings) or don't care too much for (Fez, Everything, Royal Scam).

I struggle! If they play Boston Rag I will go home happy though :).

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 13:45:39 ET
Posted by: gaucho14, Boston

A bit surprised to see "Dawn of the Dan" night in Boston. Was hoping for a "Rarities" night, but oh well. I suspect there will be a good deal of overlap btw nights. For example, "Dawn of the Dan" should include MOS, DIA, RITY, DW, NBN, PL...keeping my fingers crossed for Brooklyn, Change of the Guard, YGT. Please, Walter, just no excreable rendition of Midnight Cruiser like you inflicted upon us in '96!

Date: Tues, May 31, 2011, 08:38:03 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower

steelydan.com has been updated today. The Boston dates have been changed, and Special Setlist shows are also announced for Boston.

Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 21:44:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The devil gabe me do it....

enjoy....

http://www.mediafire.com/?2o2l85m2m7mn7i1

Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 16:25:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Thanks for the Gil Scott-Heron reminder. I was going to post something yesterday and but forgot.

Winter in America with Brian Jackson was in heavy rotation at the parties I attended while in college in the mid 70's. I still listen to The Bottle on a rare occasion.

Obviously, Gil was far more influential than he was well known. A real musical revolutionary.

But he was dead wrong about one thing: The Revolution will most certainly be televised.

RIP, Gil.

Date: Mon, May 30, 2011, 15:48:59 ET
Posted by: Gilbert "Gil" Scott-Heron, RIP - April 1, 1949 � May 27, 2011

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Steely Dan connection?

Bernard "Pretty" Purdie

And a general disdain for "Rare Earth" who Gil slammed often in song.

You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw

Lady Day and John Coltrane

Ever feel kinda of down and out and don't know just what to do?
Livin' all of days in darkness, let the sun shine through
Ever fell that somehow, somewhere you lost your way?
And if you don't get help you won't make it through the day
You could call on Lady Day!
You could call on John Coltrane!
They'll wash your troubles, your troubles away

Plastic people with plastic minds on their way to plastic homes
There's no beginning, there ain't no ending
just on and on and on and on and...
It's all because we're so afraid to say that we're alone
until our hero rides in, rides in on his saxophone
You could call on Lady Day!
You could call on John Coltrane!
They'll wash your troubles, your troubles away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprRB_-8yBY

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 16:14:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Gabe,

I shot you an email. I hope I
got your email right:
thedevil@gabeiscreative.com

I also forgot to mention that I
think Walter Becker in particular
would really dig tracks like
"Adorable Ghost" that really has a
great dub feel to it. Again, I
invite every one to give the whole
project a listen. Many of Gabe's
tracks do also have a great dub feel.
And if you have "Circus Money" you
know how much Walter enjoys dub.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 13:58:54 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

@ Lurker Ray / Danfan

Your guests and boardmates really deserve a warning before having that schlock dropped on them. I have the Club House 12" version of the "Do It Again" / "Billie Jean" thing. It wasn't worth the 99 cents I paid for it. But true, it did get a lot of play here and in Europe. For the collectors out there, there's also a version by Brooklyn Express.

A better 12":
Steely Dan -- "Green Earrings Inst." (7:09) B/W Gabe is the Devil -- "Kid Clean" (4:23).

@Gabe

That Monkey in your Soul clap is huge. I really like it on the offbeats on "Lady Bayside."

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 11:25:54 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, on the deck

Gabe

Thanks for making your Day Glow Freaks project available to us. Pretty cool stuff. Grows on you after a few listens.

Another Scurvy Brother

The Do It Again / Billie Jean mix by Slingshot that Ray refers to was released as a 12 inch by Quality Records. Side one comes in at 7:22 with vocals, while side 2 Dub Intrumental comes in at 8:12. To this day when I put it on the turnable at parties, weddings, etc; it never fails to fill the dance floor.

Cheers

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 10:10:06 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

@Lurker Ray, I tried to email you but I got a delivery failure. Is there another way to reach you?

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 09:50:11 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

Wow, I really like that "FM" cover. Much better than the Falco cover of "Do It Again" in my opinion.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 09:23:12 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Yeah, I guess you're right, Dean (as always).
I found this:

Gorillaz Cover Steely Dan's "FM"

. . . or technically if you follow all the antics of the Jamie Hewlett characters, it is a 2D "solo" effort (voice of Damon Albarn) along with the help of New Zealand saxophonist Nathan Haines covering the Becker/Fagen tune which originally appeared on the soundtrack for the very forgettable film of the same name. You'll find it on the web-only accessed new Gorillaz album The Fall. And it will not be titled "FM." Go to Track 6, under the playfully misleading title "Little Pink Plastic Bags." Some wags on the internet have indicated that the cover was recorded two years ago, and therefore cannot be part of the claim of Albarn that the new collection of songs was recorded on the road solely via iPad. Whatever. Haines puts his smooth jazz imprint on the song but doesn't try to replicate the original of Pete Christlieb. And if that's Albarn on guitar, cheers to him.

Date: Sun, May 29, 2011, 00:14:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

I found this when I looked for Little Pink Plastic Bags:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtM_Dz9dyoI

I also see someone uploaded an FM cover as Pink Plastic Bags by Gorillaz, but it was quickly noted to be a fake and has sinced been relabeled as FM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyjamLJ-tM8

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that is Gorillaz. It is by Nathan Haines (smooth jazz artist) w/the Gorillaz lead singer (I think):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZDSYqljS98

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 22:33:04 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Hey, just a nice little find to all you old geezers out there that dare to venture into the music of the kids today... (I kid, I kid)

One of the better bands around right now, Gorillaz covered FM on their new album. You can find it on Youtube, although it might be under the "secret" title of Little Pink Plastic Bags.

It's not bad, as far as Steely Dan covers go. Most of them are quite atrocious.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 22:17:42 ET
Posted by: Sixteen or More, The Den

Just watched this on Blu Ray.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175709/


After a flashback scene, the movie starts with Daddy Don't Live in that NYC. It ends with Don't Take Me Alive playing during the credits. Do it Again comes around the half way point.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 17:41:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Gabe,

I have been listening to your project for the last couple of days and it is now in my car. I can't get enough. Though if I may, I think that perhaps it's current running order may be turning off some folks who may ease into it better with a running order change. I think maybe people think that the whole project is going to sound like the first two tracks (the more Daft/Techno tracks) instead of listening to the entire project and discovering the "hidden gems". For what it is worth, I think any of the tracks 4,9,10,11 or 12 would serve as a
nice "1-2 opening punch" to the project and be more inviting to your hardcore Steely Dan fan that might be more reticent getting into the project. Just a thought.

I totally dig how you didn't use any vocal samples and tell "your own musical stories". And I really respect anyone who spends some time in the entertainment industry then leaves for 6 years to take another job and raise a child and then "comes back" doing something in their spare time. I can really relate to that. The project just oozes with you passion. I also wanted to let you know of an error in your
extensive credits. It occurs for the song, "The Girls". You incorrectly list "Tom Barney" as the bass player for the song "Sign In Stranger" from 1976's "Royal Scam". Walter Becker & Chuck Rainey are the only two bass players on that album and as I recall it is in fact Chuck Rainey On "Sign In Stranger". Though "Tom Barney" does play bass on "Sign In Stranger" on the live CD "Alive In America".
Though from what I have heard and read, you only used Steely Dan studio releases as sample sources.

Will you PLEASE make available a lossless high sample rate version of this terrific project??!!! I don't think the lowly 128 kps really does all of your hard work justice. And what about the tracks that didn't make the final "12", will you be making any of those available also? Thanks again for the wonderful gift that has made my Memorial Day weekend and all of your hard work. May you and your family have a wonderful holiday weekend.

Another Scurvy Brother,

The guys have gotten some very successful "club play they deserve".
In 1983 a 12 inch mix of "Do It Again" & Michael Jackson's,
"Billie Jean" was a huge club hit. Here is 5 minutes of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHV8PDd4ww

Dirker,

The food may be better at our "upscale restaurant", but they also sell "Souviners, Sundries & other assorted Tchotchkes", just like any other "Cracker Barrel" down the turnpike. Have been for nearly 20 years.

Keeping it as real as I can Tommy.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 11:55:32 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

A friend of mine is doing a video for "Broadway Duchess" as a school project. It's mostly out of my hands but I am anxious to see what he does with it.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 11:31:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

OK,

So I went to check out more of the vids on Gabe's site and surprise! There is only the one.

Are you planning on making more?

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 09:33:50 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Gabe.

Thanks for checking in

While I noted the music really isn't for me, I did find the whole thing pretty fascinating. It is absolutely clear you are a Dan fan and did this with respect.

As others have already noted, the detailed breakdown of the samples used was fantastic.

I listened to several cuts, but didn't notice the Watch option until later on. I will check out more of the vids today.

Anyway the entire package is pretty terrific. You should be very proud. Perhaps you are the Devil.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 07:39:52 ET
Posted by: Gabe, Columbus

Hey guys; glad I found this thread. Thanks for checking out Day Glow Freaks. So far, fellow Dan fans have been pretty receptive of the work even though the style is vastly different from SD's work. Please know the project was created with the utmost reverence for SD!

@another (scurvy brother): the clap from "Monkey in Your Soul" (and the kick from "Josie") are used so often in the songs because they are fantastically recorded. I'm still amazed at the depth of engineering they achieved in the 70s.

Date: Sat, May 28, 2011, 01:57:07 ET
Posted by: Phil, Boston

The offical band website doesn't list the three upcoming Boston shows as being themed setlists, but with three nights at the venue, you'd think that this would be the case.

I'm not a huge Steely Dan fan, but I do enjoy their earlier work and would be there with bells on if they happen to do a Dawn Of The Dan or Royal Scam show in Boston.

Any serious fans know whether the plan is to announce themed nights, other than those already announced, for those cities with multiple nights?

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 20:12:50 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

I like Steely Dan. I like their music. I like their lyrics. I like their attitude.

That's it.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 19:04:40 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Ray is correct again. Love the Dan but they are "cash grab" artists as well, no different than any other band. How many "greatest hits" collections and repackaging of the same old songs? Reminds me of Elvis. DVD sales as well. Charging a higher price for "Gaucho" when it was released (I don't care what excuse they used). Ray has already covered the souvenier and ticket disparity. Don't get me wrong, this is America last I remembered and capitalism is king but don't try to separate D & W from other artists. They're all money grabbing machines. That is what this country is built on. I will spend the money while understanding these simple facts. What is more aggrevating is when folks on this sight try to make D & W look like saints, using terms like "integrity" and alike. Are you kidding me?? AGAIN...they are rock stars and will take every last dollar the market will allow.

Thank you Lurker Ray for keeping it real.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 16:13:35 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Everyone keeps looking for new music that's somehow reminiscent of our favorite duo and coming up short. So here's my entry in the "If You Like Walt and Don, Maybe You'll Like This, Too" sweepstakes: Vancouver's Dan Bejar, aka Destroyer, and his new album, Kaputt, in which I hear echoes of the Dan, early 80s Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music, and maybe some Eno/Bowie, too:

Destroyer, "Suicide Demo for Kara Walker": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl8pOxoSprg

Destroyer, "Kaputt": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-ONpLXzGs

& one more, from an older album:

Destroyer, "It's Gonna Take an Airplane" (live): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WfP1NLkz5o

Enjoy!

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 16:06:04 ET
Posted by: Dirker, Day

Ray. That's like saying if you can go to an upscale restaurant and buy a souvenir such as a wine glass, they should also sell you frozen dinners to take home.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 15:23:23 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray - Start The Holiday Weekend!!, Malibu

Ah Dean.....

How can selling fan's an audio
souvenir after shows be a
"marketing trick"? Now you just
sound ridiculous. How is it ANY
different than buying a Steely Dan
Hooded Sweatshirt after a show for
a $100 - even thought we all know
the high mark-up on that Hoody that
retails for 10 bucks. It's a
marketing bonanza! A marketing
"trick" that Donald & Walter have
been quite comfortable with for
nearly 20 years now. And who can
blame them?! If you factor in the
cost to tour with a high-end recording
rig, an engineer and the manufacture of
the media, the "Hoody" wins hands down
on mark-up and profit. So I guess you
would call that a "cash grab" right?

You want to know what I call a cash grab?
Charging folks $250 to sit in the boonies
of the Beacon. Now that's what I call a
cash grab. And quite a marketing trick.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 11:37:49 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Matt, thanks a lot for posting DayGlowFreaks. Very cool stuff - not all that into the Daft Punk type stuff, but I like that he took the time to break down where all the samples come from.

Date: Fri, May 27, 2011, 11:15:09 ET
Posted by: Lenny, F

Last Saturday, Bard honored the greatest musician to have graduated from the school.


http://tinyurl.com/3fntsz2

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 21:41:22 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

@Matt

Thanks for putting me on to Gabe is the Devil and his Day Glow Freaks project. Very Daft Punkish. It's funny, checking out the liner notes, how many times the "Monkey In Your Soul" handclap gets used. The chimes from "Turn that Heartbeat" and castanets from "West of Hollywood" are both nicely placed.

Didn't I read somewhere that "The Fez" and "Green Earrings" are written, in part, to capture some of that disco revenue? Maybe the guys will finally get the club play they deserved.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 21:07:15 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Impressed

jazzASSin & The Dean, I am proud of both of you! Admitting you have some problems (impotent, bitter, semi-pedophile dog smelling mouth breather!! A grumpy old fart with his head up his bowel!! A wimpy rock hater and a pseudo-intellectual psychotic babbling wannabe!!) is the first step to change and recovery. You both keep working on your self awareness and the possibilities are limitless. Having read your list of personal problems makes me realize how lucky I am. Stay in therapy and I wish you both the best.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:25:58 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, not impressed

Giggle, giggle.
Is that all you got? What about this one: Jazzassin is an impotent, bitter, semi-pedophile dog smelling mouth breather!! A grumpy old fart with his head up his bowel!! A wimpy rock hater and a pseudo-intellectual psychotic babbling wannabe!!

And The Dean is probably even worse, if possible.

C'mon, guys. English is your native language, not mine. You can do better.

And as for D & W, they should of course go to see a therapist to change their entire personality, so that they can start to act like decent rock stars. Time to enter the old orgone accumulator.

What's a usb stick???


Cheers, Dean! Let the kids play kids games. Fini.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:20:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Having one (or several) for Jazzassin

Matt,

Thanks for those links. As usual I am in step with Jazzassin here. The music link is not for me, but interesting nonetheless. OTOH, I'm laughing my ass off at the infographic project.

And Jazzassin I don't get it either. They claim to like a band known for their idiosyncratic and perfectionist ways and now want them to act like more common talent. Oh well.

I don't expect other artists I enjoy to act like Steely Dan (although most could learn a thing or two from them), why would I demand the opposite?

So I'm "an old fox who cannot jump for the grapes any more"? Perhaps. But from my perspective taste, high standards and restraint are time-honored virtues that never go out of style. Marketing tricks come and go and those more concerned with the cash grab (and they are usually lacking in genius) "reinvent themselves" and ride the waves of trends.

This will be my last post on the topic. I'm guessing Ray will go on another Donald bashing crusade. After all, he claims to know WHY Donald does things and seems to think Steely Dan would be better off listening to him, instead of following their time-tested artistic senses. And this board doesn't need to be subject to a pissing contest. So, as I will do as Hoops requests and "fly low".

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 18:02:08 ET
Posted by: otisorange,

The same could be said of Lurker Ray.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 17:44:01 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

same can be said of the Dean

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 17:42:02 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Well said Lurker Ray...Jazzassin's comments are typical of a narrow minded bitter old man who has no idea what he is talking about.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 16:52:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

So Dean,

You think that the amazing recordings
that folks like Mark Knopfler &
Peter Gabriel put out for their fans
after shows are "hokey shit"? Man did
that make me laugh. You sound like an
old fox who cannot jump for the grapes
any more. Or an old man trashing something
he obviously knows nothing about.

Well you obviously have not heard
any of these great discs or experienced
the nifty USB sticks some artists use.
These are high-end professsional recordings.
Thousands of dollars is spent on briging in
the mobile units and high-end equipment.
And they sound amazing actually often much,
much better then say, "AIA". Which DOES
sound hokey.

Come to think of it, I have often seen
you remark here about various Steely Dan
bootlegs and the ones that you have
enjoyed. So the question is,

"How do you enjoy that hokey shit?"

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 16:18:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, just got virus

@Matt
First: The Infographic project is very entertaining, and an original idea. I just took a quick tour through the first five songs, and will absolutely look at the rest of them as well!

The Dayglowfreaks project is not made for my ears, but I guess for young people who listens to that genre anyway, it's more healthy for them to listen to sample-based music when the samples are actually all from SD songs. :D

To me, it sounds like if I tried to playback SD from a seriously virus infected computer.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:50:26 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Also, there's the Steely Dan infographic project

http://www.barryfest.com/category/special-features/sdip/

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:46:56 ET
Posted by: Matt, Chattanooga, TN

Dunno if this has already been discussed (I don't remember seeing it), but someone has made an album of 12 songs created entirely from samples of Steely Dan.

http://www.gabeisthedevil.com/

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 15:32:59 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, give me a break

@ tommytomato, DYLNFAN
So, SD is your favorite band, only they would've been even better if they were a lot more like other bands? Especially those bands that works in more or less the exact opposite way?

@ The Dean.
Pour me another one, pal. I just got thirsty. Or make that two, actually.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 14:14:36 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

"D & W just need to embrace their inner rock star persona's"

I certainly hope they never even get close to that. Is there anything more useless and vile than a "rock star"?

I'm laughing at the suggestion The Dan release CDs at the end of their concerts. Thankfully, I feel fairly confident Don and Walt have far too much integrity and too high standards to engage in this hokey shit.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 13:52:45 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I'm with you DYLNFAN...I'm hoping for an official cd & dvd of the tour as well (many of us are). To me, during the 70's Steely Dan was more of a concept than a band. We all know the band can produce a state of the art studio recording. That will never change. IMO Steely Dan is now a viable live touring rock & roll band. D & W just need to embrace their inner rock star persona's and give up their illusion of control.

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 10:26:48 ET
Posted by: DYLNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Homerun TommyTomato on the Dead being hip to taping and live
recordings, I wish Don & Walt would take A similar approach
as it is now mostly lousy recordings are out there, one
would think they wouldnt be in love with that either.Finally
I would say heres hoping for an official cd & dvd of the tour
but people on here have been saying that since 2003 & nada!!!

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 05:28:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Baritone

Underscore:

Jim S, "Obsession" was of course not to be taken literally. Just my humorous way of expressing it. ;)

Date: Thurs, May 26, 2011, 04:35:41 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Phil, in France (I think).

Thanks for the heads up on The Royal Scam SACD. I ordered mine up straight away from cdjapan. Shame, I still haven't heard the Aja SACD, even though I've had it for almost a year (gear not set up at the moment). Soon though.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 21:42:17 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, jazz is the man

Thanks for your kind words, Mr. Hired Jazzassasin! Only I'm not as obsessed with the Dan as I am with simply doing the impossible; the Dan just happen to be my favorite band! To hear something completely genius that nobody has heard before is one of the random assorted goals in my life to help me pass the time. Then I wish to share it with those who can also appreciate the a work of art in the same way I do.

That said, I really appreciate the support, Jazz! Thanks a whole lot, man! :)

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 18:45:49 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, mediator's office

I've been following the somewhat heated dialogue between Mr. Lurker Ray and Mr. Jim Steele on this board, and I will gladly confirm Jim's best intentions and his integrity.
Jeez, I can't believe I'm in fact doing this, as things should never have been like they now have become. But, for whatever my word is worth (I don't know anyone here from real life), I guarantee that Jim is:

Not after anyone's money

Not after anyone's rare gems, unless they really want to share/exchange them

Not here to brag about rare findings to masturbate his ego

A very young man with a genuine interest / manic obsession for everything Dan, but then again, most of us suffers from that disease

A kind and generous person who willingly shares whatever he can share with those interested enough to ask privately (his provided email address is real)

A man of principels when it comes to not putting every single rarity he may come across directly to Youtube or the likes, but rather reserves them for us diehard fans "for reasons that just bleed obvious", in his own words

So enthusiastic and dedicated about his main interest, he sometimes
expresses himself in ways that could be misinterpreted, not out of evil or ignorance, but rather from overzealousness... I can understand that, as I clearly remember once being 16 myself (those were the days ;))

And this is maybe where the dog is buried. Things got a bit strained when he introduced himself here with the not-so-well-chosen words "Steely Dan ripped off a lot of music from other artists".
But hey, he already long time ago asked forgiveness for those words, and specified what he really meant. It even trigged an interesting discussion on the general subject of the tradition of lending from / quoting / ripping off other artists in a creative process. The old "Jarrett vs Steely Dan case" was even brought up for a new discussion.
I fully understand that Jim's initial words was suited to provoke on this forum, but I'm also 110% convinced that it was just a case of awkward language. The man is not stupid.

The "Cloak & Dagger" factor that some percieves in some of Jim's post
has no other reason than that he is actually trying not to step on anyone's toes, and that means people outside this forum, as well. Yes, there IS a world outside this forum. If you have partial info about certain things, but need to know more to complete the puzzle before you share your knowledge and /or actual found tracks with everyone, isn't ok then, to discreetly ask for help privately before you launch the rocket? Sometimes things that appear to be both interesting and achievable, turns out to be a blind alley. And sometimes a young man can overestimate how much discretion one really need to show in a given situation, as well. After all, too much discretion is always better than too little, right?

I know that I am guilty of having given Jim the impression that especially Ray is the man to consult about rarities, as Ray has actually given me the impression that he "has and knows" much of interest in that field. Ray, you once confirmed that, too.
If I ever had the slightest idea that it would cause so much distrust and suspicion towards Jimmy, I guess I would never have bothered to do so.

And Ray, to me you'll probably always be a man to consult on this board, and a man with strong opinions, which is perfectly ok with me.
I just wish you too can sooner or later start to trust our Steely Bro Jim Steele. He means no harm, and has a big heart beating with the same time signature as us all: The Purdie Shuffle (and some others, layed down by i.e. Steve Gadd and Keith Carlock.

When it comes to what is ok and what is not ok to post on this forum, I'm sure we can all still count on Hoops to be the one to educate those who occasionally crosses this this board's rules.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 18:07:27 ET
Posted by: No, Jim Steele, you are wrong

We ARE all out to get Lurker Ray.

To quote somebody from somewhere, "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't really out to get me."

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 15:29:01 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, I aint dranken no holy wine save muscatel

@The Hardly Lurking Ray: I really don't understand why you find me so shady and untrustworthy, anyway. If you ask anyone on here who I've interacted with via E-mail prior to this, I don't think you'd find one out of those kind souls who'd deem me all "secretive," "titillating" and shifty.

The reason I believe there aren't too many Steely Dan fans who care (or even know) about the freaking huge plethora of unreleased D&W compositions is that I had pointed out a possible way for fans to obtain the 'lost Dan demos' Mr. Lyle, Anyway You Want It and One Ticket to LA on that Emax music site and nobody was too receptive (bar one gentleman who yelled at me for not being able to provide him with those tracks at that very place and time.)

Plus, only a dedicated few reacted to the news of the discovery of PTBYS and Tell Me a Lie, like I said, and those curious who emailed me got them too! I�m just reluctant to upload them on Youtube for reasons that just bleed obvious.

Ray, I can tell that you're a decent guy and I don't think that you're out of line, for speaking out for what [are your ideals] and I'd like to see you do just fine [too]. (Sorry but I had to deface the fitting lyrics of Barrytown just for this :P) Please just ease up a bit. Not everyone on here is out to get you, scurvy bro.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 14:59:03 ET
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Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 14:04:44 ET
Posted by: shark deville, up on the hill

I was able to secure tickets for Rarities Night at the Beacon. wanted to hit Dawn of the Dan too, but I had to choose. Would love to see 21t Century Night too, for that matter. I sure hope someone is recording, regardless of the quality.

I'm going crazy wondering what rarities will played. I figure they might drop a few on the summer tour just to break 'em in and give everyone a taste.

how many bands would offer special setlist shows like these? not many, and you've got to hand it to D&W for being ambitious and reaching out to their danbase.

LOTS of bands are offering after-show CDs of their live performances... not just jam bands. how cool would that be at Dan shows? especially the Beacon run

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 13:45:50 ET
Posted by: Little Wild One, 18th Floor, Crazytown

Hi ya kids,

Thank you, Klaus, for the shout out. I know I have been scarce 'round here ('round every where, pretty much...blame it on joining the ranks of the civil litigators and their busy trial schedules).

Its good to see some old friends (Danfiend, El Sup, Dan B., LurkerRay, etc.) as well as to see we have some new blood this year. Part of the fun of being a community is making new friends....geez, I sound like a Girl Scout Leader! Maybe I should give up the Adorable Ghost, now?

Anyhoo, I look forward to living vicariously through those of you going to the first few months of shows. And I'm really hoping that we can relive some of those grand nights in the Greenroom that so many of us remember from 2003. The talk, the errr...yeah. Somebody to trust. All that.

Any special requirements for logging in, Jim? I know I have not used by login for many moons, but if you have suggestions, please let us know.

MMMMWAHHH! See ya at the Beacon with my Can't Buy a Thrill purse in tow! Looks like that will be my limited thrill this year....

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 11:47:57 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

On the subject of Donald's reluctance to record and sell SD's concerts...I basically agree with Lurker Ray...it's all about the performers attitude, confidence & relationship with their own performances. Jerry Garcia once said in an interview that as a performer, after the concert ends, he was done with it. Why not let the fans have it. As a matter of fact from 1984 to 1995 the GD had a taping section for those who wanted to tape. Soundboard patches were common and the band recorded every show for possible future release. To this day all the "Dead" related bands follow that belief as well. CD's of that nights show available immediately after the show for those who want them. Also available are digital downloads for a small fee...$15 to $20. Go visit livedownloads.com to see the amount of artist's who share that belief. Come on Don..you're making a pretty good living playing live shows...(haven't seen any SD or Fagen studio stuff lately)...let us have the "souvenier" and make some scratch to boot! As fans we just want our SD shows warts and all.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 09:42:45 ET
Posted by: Phil, l�

The Royal Scam rereleased on SACD in Japan :

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UIGY-9501

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 05:00:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Jimmy,

No one is making a "dig" at your principals. Lighten up, Francis. It just seems that you often post titillating messages that exclude most of the folks here or that seem to have a shroud of secrecy around them lately. Not to mention the last time we spoke you were saying that Steely Dan "ripped-off" much of their music. Remember? How in the hell do I know what your intentions are?

I also in case you have not noticed made many friends here lately and I am quite reticent to give you or anybody any direct contact info for me or my company. Again, I do not know you and you are somewhat new around here.

How do you know that "a scarce amount of Danhards even care about hearing the Hoover album or Shuffling Up Your Downs-esque material"? You are making quite an assumption. You say that there are "personal matters" involved. So perhaps you will hear from me when I get a chance if I can help in any way.

Deano,

Yet once again you have totally missed the point.

"integrity and a commitment to quality"??

The music has already been performed that night. The "performance" exists, warts & all. The crowd already experienced & heard the performance, so why not give them a souvenir? This has nothing to do with "outtakes" or "sub-par" material!!! It's the show they JUST PERFORMED live for a few thousand people. People who this year will be paying hundreds of dollars for seats. I would never go to a Steely Dan Show thinking that I would be getting a "sub-par" experience. And who ever said anything about using Steely Dan music in �commercial campaigns�? Again these are fan souvenirs. Made for the fan and sold to the fan after the shows. And yes Donald does not have the "confidence" to offer such souvenirs to the fans. I think Walter would be fine with it, remember it was Donald who insisted on the AIA over-dubs not Walter.

Of course numerous record company produced "live albums" have been sweetened or over-dubbed (Though Dire Straits "Alchemy" is a brave release �straight� from the mixing desk) And yes Donald�s tweaking strangled what �soul� were in many of those 1993-1994 live recordings. All one has to do is listen to Roger Nichol�s recording of the 1994 Irvine, California show and hear the soul, humanity, spontaneity and true-to-life joy that was marvelously documented that evening. It�s everything the AIA should have been and a perfect example of what these fan souvenir CDs or USB Jump Drives could be after seeing a great Steely Dan show.

Date: Wed, May 25, 2011, 00:09:56 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I guess I don't understand how integrity and a commitment to quality = a lack of balls.

Knopfler, Gabriel and The Who may have released some stuff without overdubbing (though virtually all live albums, even those without overdubs, are sweetened and re-mixed after the fact), but Gabriel and The Who have also released live albums that reportedly contained overdubs. I don't know about Knopfler.

I would say Don and Walt have HUGE metaphoric balls for refusing to officially release outtakes, and other sub-par (by their high standards) material simply to cash in. In fact, I'd say it takes balls to not take the money and allow your music to be used in commercial campaigns, as I believe The Who, Gabriel and Knopfler (Dire Straits) have all done.

One of the reasons I have the respect I do for Steely Dan is they tend to do things their way, not the way other artists do things or the way the labels and/or fans might prefer.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 23:26:22 ET
Posted by: JS,

Lurker Ray, you have a valid point and I respect it and I really want to respect you even after you made such a dig at my principals. There ARE personal matters involved and when the time comes I'll disclose everything to the whole community but right now I'm sorry but I can't. I just figured you were a kind, devoted and knowledgeable aficionado and honestly only a select few have contacted me regarding Slave (all of which own it now) so I doubt there are that many dying over what I dig up in my spare time.

If everyone involved gives their consent I'll post EVERYTHING I own, (including Slave) you have my 'meaningless, scoundrel' word. Why don't you share your own copy of PTBYS if you think I'm committing such an injustice here?

And I really believe that only a scarce amount of Danhards (moi included) even care about hearing the Hoover album or Shuffling Up Your Downs-esque material. (No doubt this stuff is probably early demo quality and I'm aware of that.)

Please stop being so belligerent to a guy who only wanted to talk to you about Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 22:06:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

One of the reasons that �AIA� is sub par is because Donald had to tinker with Roger�s work and made many of the musicians do studio over-dubs. Donald clearly does not have the balls to release day-of-show live recordings, warts & all.

Knopfler does, Gabriel does and so do the Who and many of these recordings are simply amazing.

Jimmy Steele,

This is a Steely Dan forum for EVERYTHING Steely Dan, except of course �personal matters�. What could we possibly talk about that pertains to Linda Hoover that we could not talk openly about here? That she was a friend of Gary Katz? That she along with Walter & Donald tried to release a project they did together for MGM that was never released before the duo moved to LA and formed Steely Dan? That she recorded a song by Becker & Fagen called, �Turn My Friend Away� that is out there and floating around as well as another D&W comp called �Jones� I believe. But hey buddy, how about putting a stop with all of this cloak and dagger stuff from you it seems whenever you discovery something new about Steely Dan and/or their early days.

Do you now have copies of �Turn My Friend Away� & �Jones� or an acetate of the doomed MGM complete project? If you do then how about posting that if people are interested that you will let people know how they can contact you. That way everyone can know about Linda Hoover and get the songs from you and do it away from this board as Hoops wishes.

It�s like a while ago someone was saying that you were going to make �Proud To Be Your Slave� available I believe and you never did or something to that effect. My point is, please no secrets or dangling carrots in front of people here. Maybe some people here would like some juicy new gossip on Linda Hoover. I don�t know. Either way just spill it to the class and open it up for discussion if it is relevant and most importantly tasteful.
How do you know that other people here besides myself might know a great deal more about Linda Hoover?

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 21:33:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 19:05:41 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway, headed for bed

Ben:

Steely Dan toothbrush, pajamas and sheets, goddammit!! ;D

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 17:09:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Jazzassin,

"if that was a thing they would ever consider, they wouldn't have been the unique, quality-obsessed no-bullshit Steely Dan that we all adore so much. "

No doubt. I agree 100%.


And, Mike Greco, the band sounds terrific on both Dan and Yes selections. My one complaint, and it's the same with almost every Steely Dan cover band, is the vocals are too "pretty" for the Steely Dan music, IMO. OTOH, they work fine for Yes. I think getting Donald's feel without mimicking him, has to be very tough.

That's why I typically prefer those who re-interpret SD's music instead of trying to imitate it. You might get the instrumental part down, but the vocals are a different story altogether.

Again, just my opinion.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 17:00:14 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Norway, Home Of Deprived (no ScanDanAvian leg this year)

Ben, Dean:

"I seriously doubt Don and Walt would allow those on-the-spot live recordings to be issued. Hey, it's possible, but it doesn't fit with their quality control mindset."

I think you hit it pretty well, Dean. It won't happen. And honestly, if that was a thing they would ever consider, they wouldn't have been the unique, quality-obsessed no-bullshit Steely Dan that we all adore so much.
No reason for them to change a winning team, and we should be happy with them doing things the way that they do. There's more than enough "ordinary" artists around willing to sell their grandmother for a couple of bucks.

Guess we're all hoping for more planned live recordings, though, not to mention more fresh SD studio material. (But I wouldn't bet on either.)

Michael Greco:

Your tribute project is massively impressing! I might have a couple of small issues on a very detailed level, but don't think they're even worth mentioning. Maybe the best and most competent SD tribute band ever? At least amongst those who try to do the songs as close to the originals as possible. Only wrong thing is you're not actually Steely Dan... ;)

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 15:16:57 ET
Posted by: Michael Greco, New York

One more thing! If you like what you hear on the links below, "LIKE" us on our Facebook page, and join our website mailing list to find out if we'll be playing in an area near you!

Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/TributeTheBand

Website
www.tributetheband.net

~Mike Greco

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 15:12:38 ET
Posted by: Michael Greco, New York

Hey Everyone!

Check out my brand new "STEELY DAN" Tribute band! We have worked so hard to perform an ultimate tribute to the best band in the world! Hope you enjoy!

Musical Promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPBRxgBJl6Q&feature=related

Babylon Sisters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOCCH9uThk

All The Best,
Mike Greco

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:54:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Quick clarification on the last post:

When I said:

I "have heard a few if these (and I even bought one once). The quality (sound, performance) ranges from horrible to "OK, I guess"

I was talking about the official recordings of the show you buy on your way out of the concert. I have heard none of these from Steely Dan, as they don't exist. I have heard Steely Dan bootlegs made from live shows and they range from not-so-hot to pretty-damn-good.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:49:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Ben,

I also like the Piano Jazz recording (I actually listened to when it first aired and then bought the recording when it came out). It's fun, spontaneous--a real breath of fresh air. Marian does a great job most of the time and in this show she seemed to really enjoy Don and Walt and it's obvious they enjoyed her, too.

I also really enjoyed the live in small space/studio stuff released earlier this century. The sound and performances are better (for the most part) on these than on Alive in America. Don't get me wrong, AiA had some terrific stuff, but overall I was a bit disappointed.

I seriously doubt Don and Walt would allow those on-the-spot live recordings to be issued. Hey, it's possible, but it doesn't fit with their quality control mindset. I have heard a few if these (and I even bought one once). The quality (sound, performance) ranges from horrible to "OK, I guess". I'm mot suggesting they absolutely can't be done at a higher level and/or that there aren't some are produced that sound very good. But this ain't some fast-and-loose jam band, or blues band we're taking about.

With that said, I hope SD does more of the controlled "live" stuff. I'd also be very happy to have them release a high-quality live album, produced properly and from great recording venue.

This is just my opinion, of course. And I can only guess what they might do, or why they do it, or don't.

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 13:00:52 ET
Posted by: Ben , Indy

Howdy,

I just got the Marian McPartland Piano Jazz CD, and if you haven't heard it, it's great. I always enjoy the interviews with our Dynamic Duo, which are featured along with great stripped-down SD and jazz tunes. Also, I wish SD would try going the route many groups, such as the Allman Brothers, and sell a just-recorded cd following each show. Frampton's doing a world tour revisiting his Comes Alive album, and as fans leave the venue they can grab the cd. I like tees and caps and keychains, but what's cooler than a disc of the show? I guess another souvenir I'd buy, and I don't recall seeing, would be SD shades. I'd dig a pair of Fagen-style glasses!

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 11:58:21 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele,

Hey Lurker Ray, I know this is sudden but is there any chance you could contact me via email? I need to chat with a very knowlegable Dan devotee about something I learned recently regarding the mysterious female singer Linda Hoover and her largely SD related album. You'd be helping this curious, young Danhard lots; many thanks dude!

Date: Tues, May 24, 2011, 11:10:57 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Klaus, thanks for the info...I check in here a few times a week. I look forward to the get toethers and the SHOWS! We'll be in touch.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 19:13:08 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

Hey there Klaus, I'm strongly considering hitting Cincy as well, yes. Keep me in the loop on a Danfest there. And I haven't posted much lately, but I'm always lurking around, checking in every two or three weeks. Can't get rid of me!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 16:49:58 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

DanFan,

Thanks for the confirmation on the Australian ticket prices. I was looking at:

"Concert and Dining Package - $385pp* Includes luxury pre-concert 3-course luncheon with beverages and Gold reserve ticket"

Gold seats are $190, so they are charging almost $200 for dinner.

I'd say this is a very interesting deal (depending on where the seats are and again, the quality of the food and wine):

"Private Marquees for up to 20 guests - $7,750 Includes covered seating for up to 20 guests and full hospitality package for the concert."

I wonder if that means you get a private area for the 20 guests and full food and drink. If so, that sounds like a good time for a close group of Dan fans.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 16:00:13 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

"G'day Lurker Ray, just interested in your comment on the Beacon Theatre. How much would you pay for Premium Seats there, say 1-2 rows back? Seems to be a lot of chat about the outlandish prices at that venue. Enquiring minds want to know! Cheers!"

G'day DanFan!

I would have gladly paid $250 dollars American, at the Beacon for Premium seats in the first 2 rows. Unfortunatley I paid $250 for seats for two of the three nights that I am attending and they aren't anywhere near the front of the theatre. And I am stuck with Sam Yahel instead of Steve Winwood! ;O)

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 15:43:43 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Tiffin Ohio

Tommy/going to Toledo for sure the city I was born and raised in/ my Bros still live there. I will put a small danfest togrther maybe at my Brothers house 5 miles away from the zoo always enjoy meeting new Danfans. In spite of popular opinion it is a pretty cool place to see a show and I will buy some beer and sausage for my new Danfriends. Keep in touch on this board and we will together I miss you Little Wild One and wish you would come to Toledo so I could pull you yo the front row like you did for me in Motown!!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 15:24:43 ET
Posted by: SF DanFan, Not in the show

I'm a bit surprised they are only doing one show in Sydney and Melbourne.
I would think Sydney could support two shows.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 14:18:09 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Hey Klaus...a buddy and I will be attending Cincy, Toledo and last 2 nights NYC. If there is get together (pre/post show) at any...you can count on us to show. Peace. t tomato

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 13:55:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey Dan/ Nice to see you back on the blue. Met you at Cinci a few years back/ will you be heading to Cinci this year and if you are I would be willing to buy you a cold one at Lidos. Down at the Lido they welcome you with sausage and beer! Klaus and the rooster have been there too but lately he spends his time here. I just tortured my guitar teacher into figuring that out and was well worth the effort.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 10:39:32 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, gone Bush

Just a quick tip:

Kate Bush just released "Directors Cut" with 11 songs, all of them re-recordings of songs from her (imho, and her's, too) two weakest albums - "The Sensual World" (1989) and "The Red Shoes" (1993), all of which have been recorded using analogue, rather than digital, equipment to create "a warmer sound".
("The Sensual World (song) has been renamed "The Flower Of The Mountain")

All the tracks have new lead vocals, new drums, and radically reworked instrumentation. Some of them have been transposed to a lower key to accommodate her lowering voice. Three of the songs, including "This Woman's Work", have been completely re-recorded, with lyrics often changed in places.

Steve Gadd is drumming throughout the album.

Nice to hear her give these songs a second chance, and the result is varied, but mostly very successful imho.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 08:25:44 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

I'll second El Sup's suggestion on the Louisville Palace. If you are anywhere near the area, it's a great venue for a show. Beautiful place, but also the acoustics are really nice. (If anyone of you folks dig bluegrass, check out the live DVD Alison Krauss + Union Station released a few years ago -- it was filmed at the Palace. I'm sure there's clips on Youtube) And as I talked about with Mike the other day, I'm sure there'll be a handful of us at least getting together for a small Danfest before the show at a nearby bar.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 05:14:02 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Bullgoose here, taking the economic temperature wherever he can stick a thermometer.

Life Coach booked seats at Sirromet Winery, Brisbane QLD today.

Gold Seats G1 Row T (20 back) $A197
Yes, Steve Winwood is on the bill. Both he and Donald have penned numbers called, The Finer Things.
And you don't have to tip in Australia.

The situation is likely to change when we run out of stuff to dig out of the ground and sell to China, but that won't happen this tour.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 03:27:14 ET
Posted by: Steely Dan Fan, Southland

Looking forward to the tour!

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 01:40:24 ET
Posted by: oops, we wish

that's 24 hrs, not 124.

Date: Mon, May 23, 2011, 01:39:05 ET
Posted by: Insiders needs outsiders' info , not everywhere, unfortunately

Call for information, folks - : you are the eyes on the ground here.

Could we get a call-off of:

= Where are people purchasing "Premium" or "Platinum" tickets?

= Are they from the Ticketmaster page, off the tab Labeled "Official Platinum Seats?"

= Are they from a broker?

= can you please provide:

- a hard link for (or around) your purchase or considered purchase

- the price you paid/ price asked

- where and how the location of a seat was conveyed to you -- eg "first 2 rows". Actual text would be VERY helpful. If no text, how was this info conveyed?

- Any portion of the above also appreciated.


Brainpower and the digit extracting program program can process hard info (sorry, no editorials or long text strings) for about the next 124 hrs.

Thanks from the cubicles....

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 22:12:00 ET
Posted by: travelling minstrel, the southland

Just secured two "Platinum" seats at the Adelaide (Mc Laren Vale) winery show. A$235 each. Third row. I'm excited!

For me, at least,the price is not so relevant- I am just happy to be able to see the band play. I saw the 2007 Heavy Rollers tour, both in Adelaide AND Melbourne, and can't wait until 30 October.

Anyone else going to the Adelaide show?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 21:01:58 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

As far as ticket prices go, let's not forget that 'Steely Dan' is a business. These guys are not playing if no one is paying.

These shows are their livlihood, no reason they should not make as much money as possible.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 20:54:33 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

G'day, regarding the SD ticket prices at Sirromet Winery, check out this link.

http://www.sirromet.com/events.html

I paid $230 for Platinum tickets, two rows back from the stage. Other options available.

Reelin' in the years.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:45:12 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The B-Side to Dyke and the Blazer's "We Got More Soul" was "Shotgun Slim".

Just sayin...

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:41:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Post Dinner Glow

Ray,

I think you may be mistaken about the Australian price/ticket location. According to bullgoose's original post, it sounds like the seats with the kids (who get in free) all about are $160 Au.

"Bullgoose's self-appointed Life Coach is dirty on the organisers of the Brisbane winery SD show for allowing children under 10 in free while charging A$160 (That's $1950.75 US) for seats. She is unwilling to watch the show while surrounded by prattling Gen Zedders reeking of popcorn and lollipop, so it's the fancy seats up front for us"

I've checked out a couple of Australia winery shows and have found some very different prices. For example, General Admission tickets at Sirromet Winery are $99 Au, while there are also tickets for $385 Au.

Bimbadgen Winery has tickets from $149 Au to $230 Au.

I'm sure bullgoose can confirm the real deal, but if he got Platinum tickets in the first two rows center, for $160 Au, you are right, that IS a great deal.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:09:36 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

G'day Lurker Ray, just interested in your comment on the Beacon Theatre. How much would you pay for Premium Seats there, say 1-2 rows back? Seems to be a lot of chat about the outlandish prices at that venue. Enquiring minds want to know! Cheers!

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:54:53 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Deano,

You can get a seat here at the Greek
in the benches up top for $60 also.
So basically, what you are saying is
that for just $35 more than the
Louisville cost of a ticket I can sit
1st or 2nd row dead center in Australia
plus Steve Winwood is on the bill?
Sounds like a damn good deal to me.

As I have posted a few times now,
there was a Maxi-Single release of
"Cousin Dupree" - The bounus or "B"
tracks are "Aja" from AIA, and
"Fall Of '92" Live' from Irvine '93
and "Overure" Live from Irvine '94.

Like I said, B-Sides these days usually
refers to "Special" tracks or "Rarities".
They named it "Rarities" night originally.
And if the info has infact changed, I'm
suprised there isn't a name change of the
night officially at SD.com

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:39:09 ET
Posted by: Answering , Dean

If I recall, there were no singles from the New Testament albums. Only "focus tracks."

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:31:57 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Here is everything "officially released" (1972-1980) that they haven't played live since they resumed touring in 1993:

Dallas
Sail the Waterway
Kings
Only a Fool Would Say That
Fire in the Hole
Brooklyn
Change of the Guard
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again
Razor Boy
Your Gold Teeth
Pearl of the Quarter
King of the World
Barrytown
Through With Buzz
With a Gun
Charlie Freak
Rose Darling
Your Gold Teeth II
Throw Back the Little Ones

I'm hoping we might get one or two of those during the Dawn of the Dan set, but who knows for sure. So for rarities night, which of these do we think will make the cut? Or will they go completely outside the box and drop Kulee Baba, Mr. Sam, Soul Ram and Girl Next Door to the Methodone Clinic on us?

Thoughts?

El Sup

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:27:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Watching the Pot, It Ain't Boiling!

Oh, one more thing...

The Aussies may be getting a better deal than some venues, but in Louisville, the Palace is charging from $59.50 to $125 ($75 and $89.50 are also options).

As I'm sure you know, ticket prices aren't typically set by the band, but rather the promoter/venue. And unless things have changed, prices are set based on what they believe will maximize revenue for any particular show.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:20:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Pasta Water is On the Burner!

Ray,

I believe every song I listed was the physical B-Side to a Steely Dan single. I could not find the B-Side to Dupree and B Beach, because I don't think they issue physical singles anymore, but I may be wrong.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:13:39 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Deano,

Interesting you consider all of those
songs B-Sides. Any idea just out of
curiosity how many of those tunes
on your list that were actually
physical B-sides back in the day?

B-Sides these days in the years of the
CD & CD Maxi-Single, Japanese & Import
editions usually refers to songs that were
never on the normal CD releases not the
flipside to something. And usually often
times considered rare. Your list and Cousin
Dupree and Blues Beach all were released
on the "standard" release.


Updraught,

Oh great, so you mean to tell us that
even the Aussies are getting a better
deal this summer with Steve Winwood
on the bill and their economy is
kicking our arse?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 18:00:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Stirring the Sunday Sauce

I would hope they skip Dallas and Sail the Waterway (especially Dallas) as those songs are Steely Dan embarrassments, IMO.

Some great B-Sides I would LOVE to hear live, include:

Fire in the Hole
Only a Fool Would Say That
Pearl of the Quarter
Razor Boy
Any Major Dude
Through With Buzz
Chain Lightning
Green Earrings
Throw Back the Little Ones
Sign In Stranger
I Got the News
Home At Last
Black Cow

Of course, some of these are not unusual to hear at any Dan concert.

Also, did the newer single have a B-Side? What were the B-sides to Cousin Dupree and Blues Beach?

With that said, I probably lean toward the explanation of the last anon poster, that "B-Side" is probably not necessarily used figuratively here. But if it were, I'd be happy with the songs above being included in any show.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 17:30:03 ET
Posted by: Answering, Ray

I think "B-Sides" is being used figuratively and not literally here.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 16:09:42 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Premuim seats at the Tower for the 2 Philly shows were priced at $450.00 ea.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 16:04:18 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

bullgoose & DanFan,

Those prices are very much the same as here in LA for the Greek shows.
I got NO problem with charging folks $160 - $170 for "Premium/Platnium Seats". THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED PREMIUM! You will be right up front in the first two rows and that is the point of "Premium" seats.

Sadly $250 will not get you anywhere near the first two rows at the Beacon.

RARITIES & B-SIDES???????

I see now that the Beacon is advertising "Rarities" night as "Rarities & B-Sides"? Nothing has changed at SteelyDan.com.

My question, what B-Sides does Steely Dan have? We all know of Bodhisattva "Live", but they have been doing Bodhisattva live regularly since 1993. I guess you could catagorize "Dallas" & "Sail The Waterway" as B-Sides, but I will bet not even Walter is willing to sing either one of those. They both seem to hate those two tracks.

Donald is clearly the one with numerous "B-Sides", but then it wouldn't be "Steely Dan B-Sides". So I'm a bit confused. Any thoughts?

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 00:55:23 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cp_3NEWTzU

This clip of Paper Sun could give us a clue to the origins of the SD/ S Winwood partnership. it now seems obvious that Winwood shares Becker's enthusiasm for primitive art, in particular tribal masks. That should stand him in good stead during those long flights on the tour plane.

Date: Sun, May 22, 2011, 00:43:32 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Mr Lurker Ray
I thought my posted conversion $A-$US was fairly accurate, if hyperbolic. It may not have been true , but I'll stand by every word-and number. Then again, I'm a babe in the currency woods. So okay, it's probably around $170 US. As a point of reference, Mr Dan Fan could have bought Fannie Mae in its heyday, plus a low mileage Lincoln Town Car, for what he paid for platinum seats at Brisbane. It will be worth it.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 23:39:09 ET
Posted by: DanFan, The Lucky Country

Ola Bullgoose - definitely when all's said and done one DanFest coming up in Briswages. I, too, bought the Platinum tickets to get up close and personal and away from the ankle biters. Second row, I believe, at the Steely price of $230 or thereabouts. Had to sell some of my gold teeth for the privilege!

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 22:16:26 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

bullgoose,

That means a lot coming from you.

That ticket price A$160, what's the
actual exchange rate in US dollars?

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 21:47:09 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Hey, Mr Lurker Ray,
Just read and chortled at your Winwood/SD 'Name That Tour' post of earlier this month. In my opinion you deserved a few pats on the back or, as we Aussies put it, 'pants off to ya,mate'.

John Barleycorn Must Go

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 15:53:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Sunny Saturday

Klaus,

All is well my Steely Brotha.
Glad to see you back. Like I
said, don'tcha think that if
some new comes here and starts
her post with "F*CK BILL MAHER",
something that has NOTHING to do
with our beloved Steely Dan, that
we aren't going to have a little
good natured fun? ;O)

Cloudy 357,

Welcome. I guess the night "heat"
has already arrived in Texas this
summer? Stay cool. That "Pops"
biography is tops. May I suggest -

"Louis Armstrong : The Complete Hot Five and Hot Seven Recordings"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GRTQP2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00004WK37&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0X3KX198FYX67BBGYQCG

I've had the collection for over ten
years now and I never tire of it.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 11:29:29 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Dean - Many thanks for the reply. Really looking forward to the show.

If any Dan fans want to try out a different venue this time around I strongly recommend the 8/17 Louisville, KY show at the Palace Theatre. Outstanding acoustics coupled with stunningly beautiful architecture will make this a wonderful show to see. I had been hoping Steely Dan would finally pick up this venue. I might even put together a Dan fest if I can get enough interest. Here is a link to a virtual tour of the venue:

http://www.propertyglance.com/palace/stage.HTM

Take care and I'll see many of you soon (either here, the Big Apple or a couple of other shows),

Mike

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 06:18:25 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Cloud/ If you need a guitar player' just saying. Is that light enough for you Ray?

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 06:12:00 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Peace out Ray/ Yes I know who Will Rogers was but I dont think Will was hip to the Dan and that was and is my point. As far as Cloud goes I am still intrigued by the the thought of a naked woman playing along to Peg' as a musician I think I would like to be in her band. As I said before I know you are a Steely bro and you have shared great insight into Steely matters its just that I come here to relax and bask in the Steely Dan glow and it gets a little tense sometimes. I am trying to lighten up my brother because Steely Fucking Dan is coming to town!!!

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 05:12:07 ET
Posted by: Andrew Hamer, Yorkshire

I would love to see the Dan release something along the lines of Springsteen's 1975-85 live CD boxset.

Guess I'll have to carry on dreaming ...

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 04:04:18 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas. Zzzzzz....

Crazy. Don't know why its posting 2xs. I only submitted once. Good Night/Day to all.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 03:29:40 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas

Hi,
Thanks to the person for the link about Mr. Nichols. I didn't know he passed or as much as I should know about him but Wiki did a great write up thats going to take awhile for me to finish. So much to learn about the other minds behind the phenomenon called Steely Dan. I just got hung up on the music but I always wondered how they got that "clean" sound. I can really hear it in "Peg" M. Macdonald's (sp?) singing the single word Peg is unbelievable. And how about the back-up singers on Gaucho... Whooo!
Wow, He sure had a Great set of ears. When I go to concerts, thats usually the 1st place I go, to the sound board area. I don't understand it but I know thats what enhances the magic on stage. Seems like all the good folks are passing on... "I'm just growing old..." Keep the light on. Peace.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 02:31:23 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas - "I'll learn to work the saxphone and I'll play just what I feel...".

Good Evening,
I've done my penance for besmirching the Dandom site. I attempted to drum Aja. I just love those beats between Shorter's sax before S.Gadd goes into overdrive till the end of the song. Brought a vinyl copy so I can play that over and over. Found a small site about the drummers of SD: http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/md1.htm
Just finished reading D. Fagen's piece about Phoebe Snow. Nice with a bit of honest bite. I get a better idea of her as a human versus the singer.
Thinking about running away from home to catch one of SD concerts. Only live once, right? Louisville K.Y. might be my best shot as I have to drive from here instead of flying. I think thats as far South as SD will come. Found a small site about the drummers of SD http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/md1.htm
I learned to play violin by "ear" (Suzuki method) but didn't get to follow up for the 2nd part the formal notation. Mimicry and a stumbling notation reader. I'm reading a great bio about L. Armstrong called "Pops". Honest serious insight about early musicianship and the man behind the smile. Any musicians out there? I would like to read what you play and how you learned.
Peace.

Date: Sat, May 21, 2011, 02:31:09 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas - "I'll learn to work the saxphone and I'll play just what I feel...".

Good Evening,
I've done my penance for besmirching the Dandom site. I attempted to drum Aja. I just love those beats between Shorter's sax before S.Gadd goes into overdrive till the end of the song. Brought a vinyl copy so I can play that over and over. Found a small site about the drummers of SD: http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/md1.htm
Just finished reading D. Fagen's piece about Phoebe Snow. Nice with a bit of honest bite. I get a better idea of her as a human versus the singer.
Thinking about running away from home to catch one of SD concerts. Only live once, right? Louisville K.Y. might be my best shot as I have to drive from here instead of flying. I think thats as far South as SD will come. Found a small site about the drummers of SD http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/md1.htm
I learned to play violin by "ear" (Suzuki method) but didn't get to follow up for the 2nd part the formal notation. Mimicry and a stumbling notation reader. I'm reading a great bio about L. Armstrong called "Pops". Honest serious insight about early musicianship and the man behind the smile. Any musicians out there? I would like to read what you play and how you learned.
Peace.

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Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:46:37 ET
Posted by: Cloudy357, Texas. I'm pulling cactus thorns off my tongue

Greeting Dandom folks.
I'm sorry for saying that about Bill. Thats no way to introduce myself to this wonderful site of people that talks about music I care about. I should never have posted that. TMI. It was meant to be funny. Yes, Bill can be very funny but as of late he just throws out generalizations about people for laughs instead of crafting joke like he used to. I'm not good at repeating a joke so heres the site. He tells em best. http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2011/05/bill-maher-if-you-celebrated-bin-ladens.html.
Strangely it wasn't about the religion but the comment about Texas. I'll reserve my opinion about Bin Laden demise but I did have some mixed feeling about being happy about someone dying. It be like shooting/killing an intruder in my home. Mixed feelings.
I love Texas but I'm not the stereotype that Bill implied in the joke. I was making a joke of his joke and it failed. Ta Dum. The End. I'm sorry. I'll stick to just reading and commenting on postings.
Now, Back to the music-
Thanks for the info about Phoebe Snow/Steely Dan. I'll just wait maybe thay will release it later. Peace.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:44:12 ET
Posted by: Cloudy357, Texas. I'm pulling cactus thorns off my tongue

Greeting Dandom folks.
I'm sorry for saying that about Bill. Thats no way to introduce myself to this wonderful site of people that talks about music I care about. I should never have posted that. TMI. It was meant to be funny. Yes, Bill can be very funny but as of late he just throws out generalizations about people for laughs instead of crafting joke like he used to. I'm not good at repeating a joke so heres the site. He tells em best. http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2011/05/bill-maher-if-you-celebrated-bin-ladens.html.
Strangely it wasn't about the religion but the comment about Texas. I'll reserve my opinion about Bin Laden demise but I did have some mixed feeling about being happy about someone dying. It be like shooting/killing an intruder in my home. Mixed feelings.
I love Texas but I'm not the stereotype that Bill implied in the joke. I was making a joke of his joke and it failed. Ta Dum. The End. I'm sorry. I'll stick to just reading and commenting on postings.
Now, Back to the music-
Thanks for the info about Phoebe Snow/Steely Dan. I'll just wait maybe thay will release it later. Peace.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 20:07:36 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Still at the Beach

BTW, El Sup

In my experience AA, BB, etc are usually before A, B, etc. Typically there are only a few double lettered rows. (AA-DD at the Beacon.)

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 20:05:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

El Sup,

According to the seating chart, you are in the SECOND row, my friend:

http://www.beacontheatre.com/seating/index.html

And bullgoose, thanks for the heads up. I was, of course, addressing Mr. Winterbottom. My bad.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 19:45:19 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

My wife bought me tickets for the 1st three Beacon shows - different sections for each one. I'm not familiar with how the Beacon does their seating. I'm in orchestra 2 row BB. Is it the standard A - Z then starts over with AA-ZZ? I looked at the chart and it looks like the AA rows are first which doesn't make any sense to me. Any help on the tickets location in layman's terms (i.e. you are 28 rows from the stage (which is what I'm guessing))?

Can't wait to see everyone again,

Mike

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 19:37:19 ET
Posted by: The bullgoose, Sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Hey The Dean
Thanks for the guitar mix information. I shall file it away. I suspect that, once those four tonics have worn off, you might discover you were addressing someone other than me. But that's ok; I do that sort of thing all the time, and I don't drink. It is, after all, a great way to meet people.
Bullgoose's self-appointed Life Coach is dirty on the organisers of the Brisbane winery SD show for allowing children under 10 in free while charging A$160 (That's $1950.75 US) for seats. She is unwilling to watch the show while surrounded by prattling Gen Zedders reeking of popcorn and lollipop, so it's the fancy seats up front for us.

Dan Fan, when trends become clear, when plans firm up, when tickets are in the bag, when we get the lay of the land, what say we talk on a modest Dan Fest for Briswages?

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:49:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Aw c'mon Klaus, lighten up.
I mean really. And like I
told you the other day, I'm
a big boy daddy and I don't
need anyone to stick up for me.

Did you even read Cloudy 357's
post Klaus?

Someone new comes on here for
the first time and starts her
post with "F*CK BILL MAHER"
and you think some of us don't
take offense, not to mention
we may actually want to know
what the "joke" was.

Not to mention if you think that
all of those jokes were "political"
then that explains a lot. Not all
humor you may not agree with is
"political" Klaus.

Are you familiar with Will Rogers?

I say America needs another one.
Especially in these troubled times.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:44:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Looking Forward to Drinkiing Heavily at the Manatee Bar

ygk,

"Love vs. Hate - all great art inspires a reaction..." Truer words...

I'm a firm believer that few things that are outstanding (music, art, food, etc) have universal appeal. In order to appeal to the masses ("the unlettered and the unwashed" as a buddy of mine says...tongue in cheek) you usually have to be fairly bland.

I can certainly understand that The Dan won't be loved by all, but I still have issue with the "hate" part. There is plenty of high-quality stuff out there that simply doesn't appeal to me...but I don't HATE it. It simply isn't for me. I try to have a modicum of respect for stuff I don't like, if I think it is of high quality.

And though I'm not much of a hater, I have to agree that once you get it you open up a whole new area to enjoy. For me that is particularly true of food. I am a rather picky eater and there are many foods I don't like. I WANT to like them...at least most of them. And, when it finally happens that I like something that has eluded me all these years, it is a real joy.


And bullgoose, IMO Jon has been mixed too low at most of the Dan shows I have seen. (And it is usually worse early in the show). I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen to Carlton.

OK, full disclosure. I had a very difficult day (work, nothing personal) and I have now had four very large Tanqueray and tonics in the time it took me to type this post on my very small netbook keyboard. Keep that in mind when you find the typos, grammatical errors, non-sequiturs etc.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:32:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Cmon Ray/ I stuck up for you the other day but now you are starting with the political jokes?I thought Hoops said enough already. Why in the hell cant we stick to the board subject STEELY DAN!! I have had enough I will check back after the tour kicks off.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:08:57 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Yep, much to my surprise, Aja and Gaucho night were the best nights at the Gibson. My hopes for Royal Scam night were just dashed on the rocks. Kid C and DTMA just lose their luster, when they are song 1 and 3 in the setlist. It was a harsh lesson.


Lurker Ray Says:
"Also by the end of the night they usually
have a good bead on Jon and his rig and
he usually really gets that intro into
"DTMA" just wailing and because it was
only the 3rd song it also was just lackluster.
Weird as it was, the crowd was just not that
into it.

Nothing like the "Aja" & "Gaucho" nights."

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 16:46:38 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Thanks for checking in on "Royal Scam" night Gus. Totally agree.
Especially about "Gaucho" night. Looking forward to it again in
NYC. Are you & the Mrs. going to any NYC shows?

Anon-Hamburg,

Problem is - Steely Dan have never done a 27 song night ;O)
They came close in Boston on July 22, 2009 when they played "Aja"
& "Royal Scam" back to back. With opening & closing numbers and
encores, they put up a whopping 24 tunes. What a night!
They used to do 22 songs over two sets quite regularly, but that
pretty much ended after 2003 and if you notice they now sadly use
an opening act often to fill time. The last two set shows were at
Soboba & San Diego in 2006.

Cloudy 357,

Phoebe sang "Dirty Work" twice live with Donald to the best of my knowledge. The first time was at Woodstock, NY on Feb. 2, 2007 & later with Steely Dan at the Beacon on the last night of a 3 night stand on June 13, 2007. And sadly, no, neither of these two takes have been released. Anything you find would be a bootleg.

What was the Bill Maher Joke? Please share!

Here are a few of my recent favorites:

"They say the Navy Seals had attack dogs with titanium fangs; that they replaced their real teeth with titanium. You know you have a badass black president when even his dogs have a grill."

-Bill Maher

"Glenn Beck retired or got fired...and a lot of people are asking who will now speak for the raving lunatics who startle you outside of a parking garage?"

-Bill Maher

"They said the radioactive plume came here today. Just be happy that something traveled 5,000 miles across the Pacific and for once it wasn't your job."

-Bill Maher

"Sarah Palin finally heard what happened in Japan, and she's demanding that we invade tsuanmi. She said these tsunamians will not get away with this."

-Bill Maher

In honor of Tina Fey's 41st Birthday:

"A new poll shows that 66% of Americans think President Bush is doing a poor job on the War in Iraq. And the remaining 34% think Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church."

�Tina Fey, on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 15:24:08 ET
Posted by: Anon-Hamburg, home

Oops, missed out the obvious Y:
Your Gold Teeth

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 15:11:12 ET
Posted by: Anon-Hamburg, home

Seeing as they're into these new set list generating ideas, how about this one:

STEELY DAN: A to Z

It may run something like this:
(Some kinda Intro tune)
Aja
Bad Sneakers
Cousin Dupree
Do It Again
Everything Must Go
FM
Green Earrings
Hey 19
I Got the News
Josie
Kings
Lunch With Gina
My Rival
Night by Night
On the Dunes
Peg
Pearl of the Quarter (Can't think of an out-right Q)
Razor Boy
Sign in Stranger
Third World Man
Upside Looking Down
Negative Girl
With a Gun
Maxine (Again, no X)
(And no Z)

Encore may invariably be Kid C and My Old School.

Maybe, baby...

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 13:53:09 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Ray, FWIW:

Thinking about Royal Scam night at the Gibson, I can't disagree with you. During the Bluebook discussion following that show, I didn't really have much memory one way or the other of Larry's work on Kid C that night. That in itself might prove your point, although there were some distractions around me at the time. And listening to Kid C again on Internet Request night, I agree that Larry nailed that performance. Back to Royal Scam Night, Larry contributed to a standout rendition of Haitian Divorce, and later also excelled on Third World Man. I remember posting at the time that Larry sounded even better than had Jon two nights earlier at the Gaucho show (although this is borderline nitpicking between two excellent performances). Thinking about it later, it occurred to me that Larry could have been a little bit higher in the mix than Jon had been. I might have incorrectly interpreted "louder" as "better".

I also agree that the crowd was not as enthusiastic as at the Aja or Gaucho nights. I am not sure why, but one factor might have been the day of the week (Monday). This is obviously not an absolute rule, but I have observed this at a couple of other Monday shows by other groups over the years.

As for the sound mix being a factor, you may well be correct, but didn't they already have two nights to get everything optimized at the Gibson? I don't think I have the setlists, but I am pretty sure we got Kid C on both Aja and Gaucho nights. I am no expert and am just speculating, but shouldn't the bugs have been ironed out by Royal Scam night?

The above discussion aside, I agree with The Dean: For subjective reasons I won't go into here, I felt at the time that if I had only one Album Night to choose from I would have picked Royal Scam night. This was the main reason we went to the Masonic shows in SF during Leg II. Today, I would probably (of the three) opt for Gaucho.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 10:14:31 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Re: Love vs. Hate - all great art inspires a reaction...

For anyone to put engery into having an opinion either way means to me that the music strikes a chord...

So yeah, the music moves you...either way...

(and if you're a Hater, once you actually GET IT [assuming you do], then your musical journey will simply blossom...)

ygk

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 06:23:53 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Ahoy there, Hutch, The Dean and Dan Fan
I must say that for a while there I suspected Steve Winwood had been prescribed by Donald's
health insurance provider as a pinch singer in case Don's larynx chucked a wobbly, but apparently that's not the case. I'm sure he'll be good fun: Since arriving fully formed as a funky cat at 15 he's certainly put a lot of good runs on the board.


The last Brisbane DanFest ran to six people, Dan Fan, but it's the quality that counts.

Keith Carlock will be drumming on Smokin' Joe Robinson's new CD. Take it from Bullgoose: that's a bona fide leak.

Those aware of the dangentiality of The Flecktones will be chuffed to hear that their latest CD, Rocket Science, is sublime, sublime I tell you. I'm off to the bunk for another listen right now.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 04:33:51 ET
Posted by: Cloudy 357, Texas. By the way, **CK you Bill Maher about that Bin Laden/Texas joke.

Hi!
I heard/saw Phoebe Snow on YouTube singing "Dirty Work" at a (2007?) Beacon theatre concert. The footage has these bald guys grooving to the music and pissing the people off behind them. Does anyone know if that was ever released on CD. I almost brought an album on eBay from a Greek seller thats around that date but he didn't provide a playlist and the item was a bit pricey. I just loved her voice coupled with the Steely Dan treatment. I feel a buzz everytime I listen to it. Appreciate any help in finding it if it exist.
This woman spent the evening sitting naked drumming to SD music while the family was out. I have a Yamaha DD65.Don't laugh, it has a nice sound when I plug it up to my bass amp O.K.? I love trying to play "Peg" and "FM". I'm not going there with "Aja. Better than therapy even though I think I scared the peeping tom off.

Date: Fri, May 20, 2011, 02:53:19 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I've been saying for years that
this is the way to do a Steely Dan
show. I would work perfectly this
summer and really help the fans that
can't go to NYC. It's perfect,
because they still have "go-to-songs"
and can still have a set bunch of
songs up top. This is what went down
in LA last Wednesday night at the Wiltern.
Brought back so many memories of the same
show back in the late 80's with the exact
same Go-Go dancing in the onstage cages
like at the Riviera in Chicago:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2011/05/live-elvis-costello-at-the-wiltern-theatre.html
Deano,

Right?! We all thought the same thing,
especially Angel. Perhaps Angel & Gus
can chime in also. And remember this
was also with Larry Carlton on stage!
Looking back I also think that it is
a sound man's nightmare. Because it takes
a while to tweek the sound in a space
and they were expected to have the blazing
sound of "KC" all set the first song out
of the box and it just didn't happen.
And the sound wasn't there or the same energy
from Larry Carlton. When he played the same
solo at the bottom of the setlist at a later
show, he was wailing.

Also by the end of the night they usually
have a good bead on Jon and his rig and
he usually really gets that intro into
"DTMA" just wailing and because it was
only the 3rd song it also was just lackluster.
Weird as it was, the crowd was just not that
into it.

Nothing like the "Aja" & "Gaucho" nights.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 20:32:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Ray,

It's interesting you should say that about Royal Scam. While I would have loved to see all the album nights from the last tour, Scam was the one I was most looking forward too. Alas, I had to settle for one of the, in your words "chum bucket" shows. :#) I was quite pleased with it, BTW.

I'm a bit surprised to hear your take on the show because, IMO, the Scam has some of the best live songs in their collection, IMO. And the song order is perfection on the album. I understand that the order may not work as well as live as the recorded version, though. And I'm certainly not challenging your experience as you saw the show and I did not. Still, it is the full album show I most want to hear.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 17:54:46 ET
Posted by: Lurker RAY-ee, Malibu

Rei from Norway,

Congratulations. I'm sure that I speak for most of us here when I
tell you how envious we are that you are going to be able to travel all the way from Norway, spend over ten days in a NYC hotel and
see ALL seven shows. The cost for lodging and airfare alone most be momentous, not to mention securing tickets for all seven shows. We hope that you will be bringing your laptop and report in for us! Perhap you would like to invest in some audio recording equipment before coming over ;O) Ticketmaster did not go down here in the States on Sunday from what I could see.

I'm curious, I wonder how many Americans here that don't live in the
general NYC or adjacent East coast area will be going to all seven shows. Is anyone here going to all seven NYC shows?

I'm actually really surprised that they are reprising "Royal Scam" Night. For me personally it did not work in 2009. Starting with "Kid Charlemagne" just didn't work for me or the audience that night. The night felt very scattered. The running order of that LP didn't seem to lend itself to a performance live. What was your take in 2009?

As far as Pete Fogel & the Bitter End go, if I were a betting man, which I am, you can count on Pete throwing one hell of a party sometime during that week in NYC. Safe travels.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 17:27:44 ET
Posted by: Augusta, Washington, D.C. USA

New to this website. . . I first heard Steely Dan in 1972, when I was a junior in high school. I remember recording their music from the radio on my reel-to-reel tape recorder and then listening to it endlessly through large, but impeccable headphones. There is something about the music that I can not express. . . it just gets to me every time.

Thanks for this forum. I would like to expand my musical horizons by listening to the music and D & W currently listen to. Does anyone have any information on what D & W currently listen to?

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 16:16:00 ET
Posted by: Biff, N

I discovered SD in the 80's as a teen, listening to classic rock radio. I thought they were a little too pop oriented to be true classic rock stalwarts. But I noticed that many of the DJ's expressed an appreciation that SD was something above and beyond the run of the mill. Not sure what the perception would be to someone that was introduced to them from a jazz point of view.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:36:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading to the Manatee Bar

ygk,

So outrageous!

Those things can be trouble...or so I hear. :#)

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:28:48 ET
Posted by: ygk, nyc

Or, Dean, perhaps the Haters may have had a rather unfortunate incident with the device itself. Just guessing.

;-)

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 15:22:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

You make some good points.

When people say SD is "elevator music", I typically respond, "So is Mozart." Also I think any elevator playing Steely Dan is a damn fine elevator. If they took time to listen to the lyrics they might start laughing out loud at what is playing in that elevator or supermarket.

And it's true, when actually confronted with SD music, many people who claim to hate Steely Dan say, "I love that song. This is Steely Dan?" It seems some can hate Steely Dan while actually liking their music. Go figure.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 14:42:02 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

I have a friend who when he first heard Aja, he though it was elevator music... although now he realizes that it's one of the greatest pieces of music ever created.

I had another friend who hated the band, but I made him a mix just to try. He came by my house the next day to download every single Dan song I have.

It's hard not to love them, but I may be slightly bias.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 13:58:28 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

For a long time it was cool to hate Steely Dan. I have a few different ideas of why people took to Dan hating:

I have heard some people complain about Donald's "whining" voice. There's not much you can do about that sort of thing. It can be tough to get past a voice that simply annoys you. I feel the same way about other artists. Personally, I find Don's voice extremely enjoyable. Actually, I find his singing spectacular and his voice appealing. It is perfect for SD's music.

Many critics and fans said they were "too smooth", "too perfect". they were considered sterile and bland. I think they got pigeon-holed into the anti smooth jazz and/or neo-disco movement. Because Steely Dan has some of the sound of those genres, many didn't notice what was very different about The Dan.

Many fans of Punk and rawer forms of Rock didn't like the production values and perfection of Steely Dan. I think had they spent a bit of time with the lyrics and actually given the music the time necessary to appreciate the nuances, some may have had a different view. The Dan is as dark as it gets and one of modern music's more subversive bands, IMO. But many don't want to THINK about music or do any work to understand it. They need immediate gratification.

Some Jazz fans rejected the Dan because they saw it as part of the crapification of pure Jazz. Nat King Cole had the same problems, I believe. Even Miles took a bunch of heat when he went electric.

What some don't get is, Steely Dan should be viewed as artists like Duke Ellington, Cole Porter and perhaps Burt Bacharach. A mixture of genres, making sophisticated "pop" that is not instantly irrelevant or dated. If you judge them by pure Rock or Jazz standards, you are missing the point and likely to be disappointed.

I also think we freakish Dan fans might be at fault to some extent. I know some people have complained about hearing All Dan All The Time. "Really? Steely Dan AGAIN?" Hey, what can I say?

On the positive side, I think Dan hate is subsiding a bit. I know people who say they hated the Dan, but now can appreciate their sound. Also, in some small way, the samples used by hip-hop artists have made them a bit legit for that audience.

Finally, I know very few skilled musicians who don't like Steely Dan. Even if it isn't their cup o tea, most are respectful of their obvious skills as song writers.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 12:43:38 ET
Posted by: Ports, Minneapolis

Donald's voice is the best thing about hte "Dan"

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 11:09:53 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

TallPaul - I'm curious. Why do so many of your friends hate Steely Dan? Have they given you any reasons. I have known a couple of people who've told me that they like the music alright but can't get past Donald's voice.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 10:40:18 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

I would much rather have Lurker Ray stirring up the shit and
get responses then checking in and seeing nothing!!! i look
back at 2006,2007,2008 as the glory days of this site with
50 posts any given day!!! now were lucky to get 3 a day!!
i know i need to get a life but i love looking back at the old
posts arguments and all!!! the only thing i dont miss is
brain strainer, hopefully he had an anurism!!!relax jus kidding!!
see everyone at the Tower shows!!

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 09:52:15 ET
Posted by: TallPaul,

I have plenty of friends and family and many co-workers who hate Steely Dan. I came here to lose them and be happy about Steely Dan wit those of my kind.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 09:33:28 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Thank you "Hutch" for your kind words. Take care.

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 06:22:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Krager�

@Rei:

Bless you, my fellow norwegian diehard danfan!

I wish there was any chance I could keep you company on your trip to NYC/the Beacon, but it's not, I'm afraid.

However, it's nice to read that someone will actually represent my country at all the Magnificent Seven SD Concerts! (Heldiggrisen/flink Gutt! ;D)

Hope you'll have the time of your life, Rei!

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 03:26:41 ET
Posted by: Rei from Norway,

The first part of ordering tickes are done, Dawn of the Dan, Rarities and The Royal Scam before the Ticketmaster webside went down for maintenence.
I will be ordering tickets for the last four concerts later.
I have also booked a hotel for the period of concerts and as I am one of those who thinks I only live once I just had to do this.
I was at the six concerts in NYC in 2008 and will go one better this time.
I remember that 2008 there was a Dan fest at The Bitter End, does anybody know if this is going to be reapeted? Are there any other places Dan fans meet before or after concerts.
It would have been really enjoyable to get together with other Dan fans in NYC.
Hope to meet you all at the Beacon:-)

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 00:29:27 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

P.S.

Lurker_Ray is as big if not bigger Dan fan as the rest of us, can't we just let him express his opinions?, for God's sake this is a free country the last time I checked

Have a good tour everyone, I will be at the Waterford in Philly before both shows if anyone wants to say Hello

Checking out for now, which I am sure makes everyone happy

Date: Thurs, May 19, 2011, 00:13:56 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Hi everyone,

Lets try to deal with the tour without bickering and just for the heck of it leave out the ticket prices in NYC

We all agree that we love the Dan and their music

We all agree that any tour is much appreciated after all the early empty years of no tours at all

We all will go to as many shows as we can afford or travel to

Walter and Dan appreciate all of the loyal fans, I would like to think

That leaves me with one question, if the shows in NYC are going to be "Legendary" which I believe they will be, why the heck can't they share the "Legendary" stuff with the rest of the country?

Can anyone answer that?

(I have my own opinion but would like to hear everyone else's)

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 23:34:07 ET
Posted by: ,

Jim Beard all year! Woo-hoo! This should be a great tour!

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 20:24:19 ET
Posted by: Take Me Home, Country Rhodes

ADDED:

Aug 09 Charleston, WV Clay Center

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 19:57:26 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Wrong side of the pond

Yawn.

I hope the aliens judge us by the fact that we have internet at all, not by the way we use it, God forbid.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 19:26:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Kurt, Anroldsville

Now it all makes sense, Lurker Ray is a angry Leftie.
Spoils the party for everyone and feels superior.
He doesn't get that he is the only one that stinks up this board and makes regular posters turn away in disgust. How pathetic and creepy to cozy up to the boss after pissing fans and him off for so long. Then he rants at people posting anon, like he has his name, address, phone and picture published here. Assumes we are all sitting in dark basements, frustrated. Watch him get pissy again in about 40 minutes...

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 18:07:49 ET
Posted by: Who's_to_blame?, UK

Long time lurk...First time post...
I can confirm that the NZ wine 'Steely Dan' is still produced and tastes as good as wine with the Dan name gracing the label should do. 2 bottles made it back from a recent business trip to Melbourne, mysteriously, 1 is now empty.

Also just got my tickets for the Beacon rarities show. Would love to do 21C and Dawn of but time and 1000's of miles of ocean get in the way.

I just get the feeling that this could be the last tour and there are too many unreleased SD tracks on my bucket list to pass up the chance of catching even just one shiny nugget that would stand out in my memory for ever. I have had so much pleasure from the standard set-lists we've heard over the years but this could be so special...

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:48:23 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Hey, Bullgoose - would love to catch-up if you attend the Sirromet Winery Show at Mt Cotton. Does anyone organise DanFests in Oz prior to shows? Don't remember one from their 2007 show in Brisbane but then I was so in awe it almost seemed like a surreal experience any way.

Personally, I think Steve Winwood will be a great fit and could easily imagine him joining SD on stage for a few numbers. As far as I know, they're still making the Steely Dan Sauvignon Blanc in NZ and it is a top drop! However, I don't believe they're playing at that very boutique winery.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:39:41 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Tommytomato - What a refreshing post! Welcome to our group. Yes things get testy from time to time... I've never really understood why but it happens. Just like Newt sometimes things come out of one's mouth that they may regret later.

Love your handle by the way.

Hutch

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 16:51:06 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I am new to this sight and I want to say thanks to all who make it happen. I can't imagine what it takes to keep it going. However I must admit there is more whining and negativity than I would have expected. I've been a big Dan fan since CBAT and I have only seen the band 7 times (8 - 11) will be this tour. I saw the Grateful Dead 60 times between 1980-'95 in addition to their solo bands and related. To me, going out to see the Dan is my last great adventure in music. I spent well over 5 figures to see the Dead during those 15 years but only a handful of those shows were memorable and left many times disappointed. Yes, respectively Steely Dan tix are considerably more HOWEVER I have never been disappointed by D & W. Every show so far has been memorable. Be careful what you wish for...
So thanks to Hoops (I want to meet you). Safe traveling to all attending shows...enjoy every second of every show...it might be your (their) last one. I am a Danfest virgin and am looking forward to attending one. I'm not sure how to go about it so anyone reading this...if you're headed to Toledo, Cincy, or NYC I would love to hang with some "Danheads". Peace to all.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 16:50:58 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

I am new to this sight and I want to say thanks to all who make it happen. I can't imagine what it takes to keep it going. However I must admit there is more whining and negativity than I would have expected. I've been a big Dan fan since CBAT and I have only seen the band 7 times (8 - 11) will be this tour. I saw the Grateful Dead 60 times between 1980-'95 in addition to their solo bands and related. To me, going out to see the Dan is my last great adventure in music. I spent well over 5 figures to see the Dead during those 15 years but only a handful of those shows were memorable and left many times disappointed. Yes, respectively Steely Dan tix are considerably more HOWEVER I have never been disappointed by D & W. Every show so far has been memorable. Be careful what you wish for...
So thanks to Hoops (I want to meet you). Safe traveling to all attending shows...enjoy every second of every show...it might be your (their) last one. I am a Danfest virgin and am looking forward to attending one. I'm not sure how to go about it so anyone reading this...if you're headed to Toledo, Cincy, or NYC I would love to hang with some "Danheads". Peace to all.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 14:43:41 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Lurker Ray: Danfiend and I rocked out at Roseland in 2003. I saw her comment, but figured I should have put a smiley face at the end or something.
I am good, but thanks for defending me.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 13:21:57 ET
Posted by: E, Crate

I'm not really a Winwood fan, but would be curious to hear him take lead on an SD song. I could see him doing (rather fittingly) Show Biz Kids.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 10:52:10 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

So, how will Steve Winwood fit in with Steely Dan? What does everyone think?

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 09:22:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Hutch, I was thinking the same thing about "Cock-a-hoop". I don't know what it means...and I'm not sure I want to know. (Just kidding bullgoose)

Glad to see the bullgoose finally check in after the great news for Down Under. I am looking forward to your post show (shows?) report.

Do they still make Steely Dan Sauvignon Blanc in NZ? I don't believe the winery that produces SD is host to any of the concerts, but maybe a bottle or two will show up among the attendees.

Also, I was glad to see the bullgoose point out it was Hoops who correctly announced this year's tour would go through November. I'm not quite sure why someone other than maybe Pete Fogel would question Hoops when he lets us in on a bit of "speculation". Arrogance I guess.

Sounds like it is going to be a great summer for Dan fans.

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 08:11:14 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

"Cock-a-hoop". Now why don't we have expressions like that over here??

Bullgoose - Hope you have a great time at the show!

Date: Wed, May 18, 2011, 06:33:34 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo, Australia

Bullgoose here, and aren't I cock-a-hoop about news of the Second Coming in Australia?
Hoops' observation has been borne out in that the succulent leak of six months ago, intimating as it did that SD would tour the real southland with Steve Winwood in tow, was in fact accurate and the genuine article. It was probably leaked by someone in the know, and I'd hate to see them scared off by posts rattled off on a spittle-flecked keyboard. A little drool is acceptable, as we're all enthusiasts; some bravado; a tad of tail twisting: some tart ripostes, but coarse and vulgar bitchin' is as entertaining to me as the sight of, say, a senior citizen in the stocks.

Aussie Corner
Hey DanFan, might see you up at the winery in Brisbane. We're still to organise tickets-you were quick off the mark. With the exchange rate the way it is, It'd almost be cheaper to fly to the US to see the Dan. I was playing at the Thredbo Jazz, Funk and Groove Festival a few weeks back and heard Doug Parkinson and band doing a couple of SD songs. Bass player, Mark Costa, was playing with The Bodacious Cowboys recently, so he had it all down.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 22:22:40 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - Jesus, Pass The Bottle Mama

Hoops,

My mother was president of the local teacher's union. I remember her coming home with hives all over her body because of the stress of working all day and then going to negotiate a new contract after a long day. For a decent living wage, for a fair deal.

You are broke, because of this nasty economy and the union persecution among other things and you are the exact same reason I am so angry. I NEVER said anything about never liking SD anymore!, but yes I think the way this tour & NYC have been handled have been ponderous to say the least. Like mike_the_wu said, all we look for is some sort of "semblance of logic" from Walter & Donald, especially in this terrible economy that now rivals the 1930's. I saw a movie on Roseland the other night and how the dime a dance dancer worked for their wage while the Park Avenue elite would come in and buy an entire roll of tickets. Like Yogi said, "It's Deja Vu all over again". You had your picture taken with D&W, been to a zillion shows, does this REALLY feel like the Donald & Walter that you know? I am sorry but yes, I think it' scummy, especially after they named a tour "Rent Party". It goes against all logic and seems like a money grab. And I am sorry that it bummed you out, but then again my Mom is a union rebel rouser. I'm bummede what has happened between the union of Steely Dan and Fan.

As for Toya/Danfiend, What?, she can run with the big boys and pile on Lurker Ray and not be willing to get some sort of retaliation? Not to mention she was totally rude to Miss Angel.

Humility, exactly.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 22:09:55 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Where I'll be in October!

http://www.adayonthegreen.com.au/index.php?action=news&nid=1991

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 20:03:11 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Really looking forward to 2011 tour. Looks like 4 shows this time around. Cincy, Toledo and 2 in NYC (request & 21st century). We should all be thankful that our favorite band is back at it this year. No band can be eveybody's everything so...go see them where you can.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 18:34:24 ET
Posted by: SF DanFan, On the outside looking in

Unfortunately there are currently no tix for the 7/5 show in Saratoga, CA. Will try over the next month.

The next best is the Greek Theater in LA's Griffith Park. Saw Sanatana there a few years back and liked the venue. Unfortunatley I already have tix for 7/9 at Yoshi's SF to see Parlimanet/Funkadelic during George Clinton's weeklong residency there and at Yoshi's Oakland venue. He's turning 70 y/o that week so it should be great.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:36:21 ET
Posted by: Casual Fan, O-town

Dean, as a fellow Floridian I was dismayed to see no Florida show this tour, at all. They always sell out Ruth Eckerd in Clearwater and had a decent crowd a couple years back here at a somewhat larger venue in Orlando (Bob Carr).

So, I've got tix to go see them in August up in Durham. Got a brother associated with UNC.

Anyone ever been to DPAC? Looks nice on the brochure, but they always do.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:22:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Young Wu,

Contrary to popular belief, apparently you CAN buy a thrill.

As I noted there are several factors (money being one of the big ones at the moment) keeping me from the NYC shows. But I'm considering moving a few things around (other previously scheduled commitments) and scraping the cash together to hit a show or two in the Apple. Actually, by September my cash situation should be much better, so I may just wait for last minute tickets.

As it is, right now there are no really good places for me to see a show. None of the dates fit with my other scheduled travel. Atlanta seems to be the only option. Obviously I'd much prefer to be at the Beacon for Rarities, Dawn, 21st Century and/or Royal Scam. Hell I'd be happy to be at any of them, but those intrigue me the most.

Otherwise, I think I may go to Boston and Wang it...so to speak.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 13:17:16 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, up north

Lurker Ray

I see your point about prices. Also, I realize after re-reading my post that I did not express my thoughts correctly. This year I personally consider the SS to be Dawn, Rarities, and 21st Century. The album & request gigs are old news. Been there, done that. I believe the pricing is based on supply & demand. Same reason it costs $200 to see a hockey game in Toronto or Montreal and only $30 in many US cities. I also believe (and hope I'm wrong) that they will not do these sets anywhere else. Thus they will become "legendary". I'd love to see one of them in Boston as much as anybody, but I'm not holding my breath. Having said all this, I am still looking forward to our "regular" concert because every SD show is special in it's own way. Just not SuperSpecial I guess.

kzkzkz

Thanks for the info on tickets. I will definitely keep an eye on TM for late releases. I have used online brokers in the past with mixed price results. A couple of times I scored tickets for about 10% over face. Other times the best price I could find from brokers was at least double or more, than face. I paid big once for U2 and to my chagrin found scalpers outside selling equal seats for much less. I guess it comes down to the event popularity, the individual broker/scalper,and how big a sucker the buyer is :)

Cheers

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 11:28:50 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Just saw this, kinda interesting... the Dawn of the Dan show at the Beacon is labeled as "Steely Dan: Dawn of the Dan f/ "Can't Buy A Thrill" Plus Select Hits" on Ticketmaster.

So, Can't Buy a Thrill will be the big album of the night? Hmm...
Need. To. Go.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 10:57:02 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, center of the uNYverse

re: TO Fan
*Can anyone tell me if there are scalpers outside the Beacon? I want to know if I make a late decision to attend....is it better to buy online from a broker or outside from a scalper?*

Ticketmaster is famous, especially at the Beacon, especially for the Dan, in releasing seats at the last minute. I scored FRONT ROW AA seats for The Donald's last ("sold out") solo gig there about 10 minutes to 8pm (box office-no service fees!)and 5th row to the first ("sold out") request night, Rent Party tour, 2 days before (on-line + fees) that event. This is common throughout the concert world as those promotional, press, band members, record co. etc seats get let go at the last minute if not used/purchased. These are not cheap, but much less than $calper price$ in most cases. The Donald seat was $90- and the Dan ticket was (iirc) $130-. That's face value. The SD ticket was located one row behind the special platinum/meet & greet w/soundcheck thingy and they were 2 something per. One row behind them at nearly a hundred buck savings.
There are usually $calper$ at the Beacon starting hours prior to the event; as early as noon in cases. If you are sure you will attend, keep checking TM for seats. Even weeks prior, other less expensive seats get released as some purchases are cancelled for different reasons; usually a credit card snafu. My work schedule is erratic and I have been forced to both "eat" tickets (still have my unused "Gaucho" ducat) and rely on the last minute TM gamble. This last minute trick is not 100% foolproof as many shows never have remaining seats but, in addition to those 2 mentioned, I scored 3rd row pit seats at Radio City Music Hall for Roxy Music their last tour and 2nd row seats for David Gilmour his last time at RCMH just hours before the events. Anyway, try to avoid brokers/scalpers where possible. Good luck & enjoy.

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Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 02:42:47 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

My 2 Cents

You figured it out, I never thought of that, darn I am stupid. They know Philly sells out for any kind of Dan show so why give a preview, oh well, maybe next year (Just my luck we are the shows before the Beacon, story of my life)

I am an optimist, they will tour again and reward the loyal Philly fans

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 01:43:56 ET
Posted by: My 2 Cents, Hell... let's make it 3

For those of you not paying attention, that's why there's no SS nights in Philly.

Date: Tues, May 17, 2011, 01:34:17 ET
Posted by: My 2 Sense, for whateva its woith

Philly might actually get the best shows of all. Will the Dan actually wait till the last minute to run through their NY shows? Nope.... Philly might be the "Great Sound Check for NY" I'd buy brotherly luv tixs if I were you.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:54:49 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

My apologies Hoops, I was just making a widdle joke. Didn't mean to fan the flames of this... controversy.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:41:56 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Young Wu

Like someone said in a previous post, if you try to figure out the reasoning of anything Walter and Donald do, including venue selection, its a lost cause. It is another similarity to the Grateful Dead who chose to play large, small, strange and various venues with no rhyme or reason. (Again not comparing the 2 bands music). In the Philly area the Dan have played the Spectrum, the Tower, Borgata Event Center, and the Susquehanna/Tweeter center. A few years ago if my memory is not completely gone they did the Borgata one night and the Susquehanna the next night. The Borgata was sold out and the Susquehanna had about 3000 people there and it holds about 15,000. Now again that was a tour where both nights had duplicate setlists and the Borgata holds about 4,000, not sure if either had anything to do with it (I doubt they will play there again). They have settled in now in this area the last few tours at the Borgata and Tower, I prefer the Tower myself but would go to any of the aforementioned places to see them. My only wish is that they keep touring and who knows maybe someday the shows will vary a little or a lot every night, one can only hope, later

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:21:28 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Young Wu: Part of my message was, please give it (the controversy) a rest. Please?!

Some need lessons in flying low and being cool.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:20:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Young Wu: Part of message was, please give it a rest. Please?!

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:05:25 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Who would think that Steely Dan touring this summer would piss certain people off. The best part of the whole thing is that the dude screaming the loudest is actually going to the god damn NY shows!!

So, Ray... either give me your tickets or stop complaining.

Anyway, on to other business, I have a question that some of wiser elders of the Blue might be able to answer. How does Steely Dan chose between amphitheaters and "normal" theaters? The one that really interests me is the Molson Amphitheater in Toronto. That's a huge summer spot for bands like Rush, Motley Crue, Tom Petty... bands that play to 10/15+ thousand a night. Steely Dan obviously doesn't care to do bigger shows, but why in Toronto (and a few selective others) do they make an exception? Especially with the wonderful Massey Hall 20 minutes away.

Another one is Canandaigua, NY. Why play a little place in the middle of nowhere when Buffalo, NY is an hour away... and home to the lovely Shea's Performing Arts Center? That's a fairly well known theater, and has a capacity similar to the theaters in Boston, Seattle, LA, and New York.

I just find the switch between big amphitheaters, smaller outdoor places, fairs, casinos, and theaters a little strange. And the zoo in Toledo baffles me completely.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 22:19:19 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

I run other forums that are more advanced and all, but we stick with this one designed circa 1992 because of the anonymity and lack of complex login sequences. That way people can (and have) left some really great anonymous tips and info that wouldn't get to us any other way, or at least it gets to us much earlier.

Now in truth, there is no such web page anywhere that is perfectly anonymous--even if you don't post. However, in the case of this page, you really have to piss me off before I will go to all the effort, expense and trouble to try and figure out who you are.

There are small minority of people who post and are rude and asshole-like. Such people have tiny balls in real life and they also have the long term effect of turning off anons with useful info for us. But more over, our heros are snarky but not assholes. These people confuse the two. On top of that, more often than not, I agree with the opinion itself of the assholes but feel compelled to support the other view simply to contest the attitude. Your attitude is very counter productive to supporting your case. I have no idea how you get through life.

But the blue can also be moderated. I've had to do so, most recently about three months ago. It really restricts the flow of information and you will miss stuff or see it a lot later then you otherwise would.

I've never known Lurker Ray to post as another--I really respect that, because some post as anons for no damn good reason except that they are wimps in real life--and Lurker Ray is a Steely Brother, although we've had minimal contact in person.

But Ray, I use the blue for enjoyment for some pleasurable distraction. Your posts of the past week are really getting to me to the point I don't even like to look here-- at my own board. I have to stay away from board and your posts so I can actually enjoy Steely Dan. You are fucking depressing me. So here's the deal, I'll give you my phone number and you can tell me all this negative stuff in person to me. I think people write with a detached sense that they are actually writing to real humans. I'm broke, Ray, and you pretty much have talked me out of going to any NYC shows for now and I think I should pull plug here to save money since clearly people like you think we're fools for liking SD anymore.

Regarding the nasty thread about the venue, consider that as far as I can tell, no one here has the inside scoop. I don't think the Dan have switched to Ravina because of overhead...but I'm not sure why they don't play the Chicago--it's open all month save for Aug 4. So I respectfully (and not as an asshole) disagree with Toya/Danfiend.

Really, though, have some humility. Look it up in a dictionary, it's not what you think.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 21:38:25 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near th etower

holy cow, the spam on here is more exciting than the discussions!

Danfiend and Lurker Ray, I know you both, and respect you both....Ray and I have had our disagreements over the years, but we worked it out and we get along, he's a cool dude...

Let's just be happy for the great selection of music we're going to be treated to this year. I don't think any of us ever expected a tour with this much variety.

ps, they SHOULD do a special show at the Tower, just because of all the $$$$$ I spend on all these license plates!! New ones this summer!!

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:53:18 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, One more thing

Why do said assclowns think that being a fan of Steely Dan makes them even remotely as intelligent or snarky? If you had a 10th of their intelligence you would have picked up on the subtle poking fun at myself in many of my posts. The music is the ONLY thing I take seriously. I post on this forum as an outlet--for fun. But when I get called a pedophile, shit gets serious quickly . . . but not serious enough to waste anymore of my time here. Take your passive-aggressive anonymous posting pseudo-intellectual maniacal clown ass someplace else. I have much more productive uses for my time, like watching cartoons. Peace out.

DanFiend for life

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:13:25 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

"DF",

Do you really have such a big head
that you think that I am the only
one here today that thinks that you
are an idiot?

There is ONLY one Lurker Ray,
I post under my name, except no
subtitutes.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 19:01:24 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Done!

Assclowns like Lurker Ray and his various pseudonyms is why I stopped posting on this forum years ago. You've taken something that was nothing more than a passing thought and made it out to be something that it isn't. I'm laughing at all of your ridiculous assumptions. Who said I actively watch the cartoon? I don't! Who even said I was even a man? I'm not. I just want to celebrate the music, not argue over every little thing. I do not blame D&W for not coming here. I'm done too.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:48:20 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, @Anon E. Mouses

Man, the Anons on here are brutal! And really, I can't understand why these people cower behind their anonymity just so they can spill their venom on decent people like Danfiend and Lurker Ray.

Most people on the Bluebook (and the rest of the world too) actually have individual opinions and thus can't see eye to eye about many things; is it so condemnable just to be a typical human?

And it might be that I'm just sixteen but the DW in "Arthur" is the only character in the pop culture of the last twenty years that I'm aware of that has that name. Granted, it was a childhood favorite of mine so of course I would remember something like that.

And lastly, I'd just like to say that--even though I'm not the moderator or the sheriff or anything of this guestbook (Leave that to Mr. Hoops)--the Bluebook's main purpose is not for people to shoot barbs at each other. Come on, I thought we were all here to discuss the finer points of the greatest band in this particular universe and most likely all the others in vastness of space! :D

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:42:48 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

DanFiend,

You must be a total idiot. The Beacon
is under the same corporate umbrella
as "D&W's" Management! That's why they
do an extended residency there!

Ravinia is a vast open space that will
include costly hiring of Highland Park
Police Officers to work overtime for any
event, parking attendants, train attendants,
numerous eatery staff, numerous beverage
retailer staff, local neighborhood security
people etc, etc, etc.

The Beacon can be rented out for your next
private function! For a few thousand dollars.
There is even a link on their site if you are
interested.

Go back to watching your cartoons please.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:30:30 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Summa Cum Laude

If I knew I was supposed to write a dissertation to submit for a grade, I would have posted an exhaustive list of every factor that goes into ticket prices, Lurker Ray, I mean US Treasury. In fact, all of the above are factored into the prices, as well as a few more. That wasn't even my point, and you know it. I was simply illustrating why a concert in NYC would cost more in another state without stating the obvious.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:26:25 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey

DanFiend

I am confused, do they charge Donald and Walter more then they charge Crosby Stills and Nash for the Beacon, I bought 2 orchestra tickets for CSN on 8/30 at the Beacon for 100 bucks each. Again before I start a war, I realize they are 2 different groups, but I never realized venues charged different rates for different groups, but judging from the posts I seem to know nothing, not the first time I have been told that, so I can deal with that

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:19:11 ET
Posted by: But D.W. is such an unusual name for a character,

D.W. Griffith

D.W. Fearn

DW Drums

D.W. Morgan

D.W. Frydendall

So yeah, I's say you were REALLY reaching and probably even running a delirious fever. And come to think of it, WHY would a grown ass man
without kids be watching a PBS children's cartoon geared towards developmental age children?????....creepy.....very creepy....And people still wonder why "D&W" don't ever stop by here.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:17:18 ET
Posted by: US Treasury, Ceiling

Danfiend,

You just failed Econ 101. Supply & demand determine ticket prices.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 18:04:44 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, Tired and Sleepy

Have you all considered the overhead costs associated with throwing a concert? The price of renting a venue like The Beacon in NYC would cost a hell of a lot more than it would to rent Ravinia in Highland Park, IL. Said overhead costs are then passed on to us by way of ticket prices. That said, we are all paying to rent the venue, pay all the various personnel and any other expenses. The balance, of course, then gets split between the record company and our D&W who makes a be-yoo-ti-ful profit. It's Econ 101. It's Show Business and "Show" only comprises 5%.

DanFiend

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 17:33:03 ET
Posted by: Almost, Gothic

I guess we won't be seeing a new DF cd this year.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 17:04:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Beast w/o A Name,

Thanks, yeah I posted that Name The Tour List the last time Winwood was supposed to tour with SD down under until it fell apart.

Pauly,

Why are you bagging on mike_the _wu just because he isn't going to be
able to put himself in debt like you are? Pretty douchey move.
And Mike is right something DOES stink in NYC this year and it's
not the inside of the Beacon. I mean really, don't you think it
smells pretty rotten when Steely Dan fans have to go into debt to
see shows? Especially in these horrific economic times, when not since the breadlines of 1930's have American families been hurting so badly across our country. And who is maxing out an American Express Card? I have to pay my Gold Card balance every month. Have you even bought tickets yet?

TO Danfan,

"About the Beacon shows. I can understand the high prices. They may never "do it again".

Huh???? You do realize that "Aja", "Popular Demand", "Royal Scam" &
"Gaucho" nights are ALL the same price as "Dawn", "Rarities" and "21st Century" nights right? And as far as never going to "Do it again", trust me you will see many of the same shows later in Boston & probably for sure some Special Nights down under. How in the hell
can you justify the greedy high prices when they are doing the same nights in many other cities and now countries for over a hundred dollars less?

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 16:37:24 ET
Posted by: DanFiend, @Angel

I know what her name stands for and that it's obviously not Donald Walter Read. But D.W. is such an unusual name for a character, I thought the initials must have some other significance. I could be totally reaching, but I could be dead on.

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 15:22:08 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

Danfiend: DW stands for Dora Winifred. I never even thought of Donald and Walter, in regard to her name. :-)

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 13:56:51 ET
Posted by: srch, fyi

Anika Moa will open the New Zealand dates.

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/local/news/hawkes-bay-concerts-steely-dan-to-play-at-church-r/3951979/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i5dkN8I-4s&feature=fvst

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 09:44:09 ET
Posted by: the usuual, redux

The Dandom Digest and the BlueBook trace their origins to rec.music.gdead

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 09:37:09 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG,P

WU from Jersey... beat you up for luvin the DEAD, r u kidding
to me it reinforces yor bona fidas!!!! IMHO it doesnt get
any better than DONALD,JERRY,BOB(DYLAN NOT WEIR) AND FRANK(SINATRA
you rock WU

Date: Mon, May 16, 2011, 00:13:44 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Just bought Platinum tickets to the Steely Dan gig at Sirromet Winery here in Brisbane, Australia, on October 23. So stoked...they were here in 2007 and saw them at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre -not the best acoustics. Hoping an outdoor setting may improve the sound? Any way, four years between visits is too long...so envious of you who live "up over" and can see SD almost anytime of the year!
This year I'll know what to expect - almost seemed like a surreal experience in 2007 and quite stunned with the show.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:48:11 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Pauly

I am not bitter at all, sorry if I came off that way. I already ran my credit cards in to the ground, so I try not to use them. I am sincere when I say I am looking forward to the reviews from all of you who are going. I am still staring at the 73 dollar tickets in the upper balcony and might try a night or two. For the last time, I promise as I do not want to beat a dead horse, I go to a lot of concerts, many groups, I love music. These are the highest price concert tickets I have ever seen from any of the groups that I follow, and I am not cheap, I do go to about 30-35 concerts a year. Mccartney was the previous high in my memory around 250 plus charges, and I did spring for the cheap seats and attend. So you are right, I should stop whining and decide whether to get a few 73 buckers and go or just wait for the reviews. But bitter?, not at all, I will follow the Dan every year as long as they tour. Enjoy the shows and post some reviews for us, thanks

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:45:09 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi til Sept

My latest entry into the "If Donald Fagen jumped off a cliff, would you?" file: I recently made the oddest purchase: "Presenting Lothar and The Hand People" on LP. I somehow committed to memory a '70s interview where Donald said to Walter, "I'll trade you two Lothar and the Hand People records for one of those," to which he replied, "But there aren't two Lothar and the Hand People records." I didn't think much about it until I saw the recent video on the MSG site where D&W were asked if they felt their music was ahead of its time. Donald's reply was even though most '70s music wasn't funny, their band names were and mentioned LATHP as an example. I wasn't on eBay five seconds later looking for a copy. I should have thought twice, though, because I bought Undercover Brother and Pootie Tang--two movies I loathed, because I read that Donald liked them. I'll probably hate this record too, but the next time I hear Don likes something, I know I'll jump at it. I guess I'm kinda hopeless that way. A subconscious part of me feels that witnessing something Donald likes gives me a glimpse into that beautiful mind of his. That's better than accepting what is most likely the truth--that I'm just another Fagen-obsessed dork who would mindlessly yell Geronimo after him. I expect my new LP to arrive by the end of the week. I can't help but think my opinion of it depends on whether or not I've already jumped the cliff. We'll see which is true once I've heard it.

Falllllingggg?
DanFiend

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:25:15 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Watching Hockey

Here's something I'd love to hear from the stage at our show.....

...."this next one's from our soon to be released new album (insert title)"

Something new. Wouldn't that be different.

I believe some (all?) of the shows have an opening act. Too bad it's not Steve Winwood here in North America. I've been into his stuff since he was wailin' as a 15 yr old genius with Spencer Davis.
When someone like Stevie is the opening act, do we get less SD numbers?

About the Beacon shows. I can understand the high prices. They may never "do it again". I think they have put it out there for the hard core fans to come and finally hear what they want. You may have to travel for it but that, with the prices, just may keep it somewhat hardcore. They, in particular DF, love New York and are very comfortable at the Beacon so that's why the shows are there.
The exclusivity makes the shows that much more "special". I'd be very surprised if there isn't some kind of DVD package from these concerts.

Can anyone tell me if there are scalpers outside the Beacon? I want to know if I make a late decision to attend....is it better to buy online from a broker or outside from a scalper?

Cheers

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 22:21:33 ET
Posted by: Pauly,

Mike_The_Wu -- maybe you can be Mike_the_bitter. Whatever, you just remember that most everyone who has tickets for the Beacon shows are "rich enough"---they just have their credit cards maxed out enough. AND THAT"S THE TRUTH! THHHHPPPBBBT!

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 21:36:58 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Well everyone, I wish I was rich like the people going to the Beacon. When I went out to look at the presale tickets and saw that tickets in the balcony were more expensive then my tickets in row 3 at the Tower Theater, I realized there might be no Beacon for me this year. I might cave in later this week and sit in the last row for 73 bucks.

I love Steely Dan, always have and always will but something stinks in NYC this year and its not the sewers. I am jealous of all you people who can afford 500 bucks a night to see the shows in good seats, but God Bless You, send us poor people the reviews and we will hope for a CD/DVD maybe to come out. 3500 bucks if my math is right to see all 7 shows and sit in the orchestra, wow

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:59:05 ET
Posted by: Beast w/o A Name, Rarities Valley, NJ

I saw Traffic twice on their 1994 tour just 3 months before seeing Steely Dan in Irvine, CA.

This was a couple of years before we started seeing setlists posted immediately after shows.

I've seen Steve Winwood a number of times since then and every SD tour, except 2008.

It would be great if they shared the stage and sang lines from each other's songs, like Steve Winwood did on his reunion shows with Eric Clapton. I could see Steve singing Third World Man. Or Donald singing Empty Pages. Let's hope people bring their cameras to shows in NZ.

Planning on going to Rarities night - Sept 17th, the same date I caught in Irvine 1994. Hoping to see Pearl of the Quarter, Western World, Gold Teeth. Not holding my breath for Kulee Baba or Second Arrangement. It would be cool too see the group do a cover or two...

Nice work on those titles, Lurker Ray. I like the Shanghai Noodle reference, having yelled that out as a request at a gig Steve Winwood played on Long Island in 2003.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:56:25 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @ Ray

That would be a negative. Up until recently I WAS a kid.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:33:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Deano,

Thank you for confirming that the voting
is total bullshit. Yet again this year.
And that "Clearly this is meant as a
marketing gimmick and makes no real attempt
to reflect what the audience wants to hear."
I'm sure DB16 will be in contact with you.

Danfiend,

You do actually have a kid and that is why
you watch "Arthur" right? I mean we would
hate to see you on NBC's "Predators".

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 20:02:38 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi til Sept--Yayy!!

Two additions to the 'Tangentially SD file': In the 1988 movie "The Couch Trip" Walter Matthau's character is named Donald Becker. I always wondered if that was a reference to our boys. Secondly, the title character to the PBS Kid's cartoon "Arthur" has a little sister named D.W. I think I may have too much Steely Dan on the brain these days . . .

Danfiend

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 19:52:18 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

Dean,

Thanks for the link. This list appears to be a duplicate of the 2009 list, with the exception of three songs that were dropped: Things I Miss The Most, Two Against Nature, and Your Gold Teeth. Since these are alphabetically last on the list, it is possible that they were inadvertantly truncated from this year's ballot. Incidentally, for the 2009 Gibson request night we did have a "one ticket, one vote" link. If I recall, the Boston voting page was unsecured. I don't remember any comments about what happened in the other cities.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 19:47:14 ET
Posted by: DanFan, Brisbane, Australia

Super stoked to hear about SD returning to Oz in October 2011. Any idea who will be in the band? Same line-up as the US tours? They were last here in 2007.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 18:28:22 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Ray,

The list of songs to choose from is on the MSG site here:

http://www.msg.com/events/steely-dan

Here's a quick un-formatted cut and paste:

Aja Any Major Dude Will Tell You Any World I'm Welcome To Babylon Sisters Bad Sneakers Black Cow Black Friday Bodhisattva The Boston Rag The Caves of Altamira Chain Lightning Deacon Blues Dirty Work Doctor Wu Do It Again Don't Take Me Alive Everyone's Gone to the Movies Everything Must Go Everything You Did The Fez FM Gaslighting Abbie Gaucho Glamour Profession Godwhacker Green Earrings Haitian Divorce Here at the Western World Hey Nineteen Home at Last I Got the News Janie Runaway Josie Kid Charlemagne The Last Mall Lunch with Gina My Old School My Rival Night by Night Parker's Band Peg Pretzel Logic Reelin' in the Years (Club Mix) Reelin' in the Years (Dry and Heavy) Rikki Don't Lose That Number The Royal Scam Show Biz Kids Sign in Stranger Slang of Ages


I have no issue with the list, as this type of show is obviously a greatest hits night, and I think the band has every right to list the songs they are willing to play.

What has always bothered me a little bit, as a research guy more than a Dan fan, is the voting is total bullshit. If it were really meant to reflect what the audience wants to hear, voting would be limited to ticket holders who would have a code to vote ONCE. Clearly this is meant as a marketing gimmick and makes no real attempt to reflect what the audience wants to hear.

It's obvious to me that Don and Walt insist on a very high level of quality and control with respect to the music, but are open to letting the marketing folks take care of this kind of stuff.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 17:53:48 ET
Posted by: L Ray, Malibu Today, NYC September!

I almost forgot!!!

Who bought tickets for the NYC
Beacon "Fan Request" night?

Could someone PLEASE post the
voting list of songs this year?

Thanks in advance.

L, Ray

BTW to the Kid Charlatan, Dr. Phil,

How old do you think I am? I am
far from a mid-life crisis. I like
to dance. Remember?

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 16:09:15 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Beacon Bound

Klaus,

I appreciate your mediative, kind instincts, but Ray is a big boy and if I expect to dish it out, I surely should expect to get it back and take it. Even though it mostly comes from anon basement dwellers who post very rarely and think for some reason I want to be Rajah, even though I have never been arrested in my life, had a DUI or beat any of the many women in my life. I mean really, who would want to aspire to that? It is so easy to pile on and be an anon. RIP Rajah, boy would he have loved the upcoming Special Beacon shows I bet.
I have my 3 nights at the Beacon tickets, "Dawn", "Gaucho" & "Rarities" all set. And as I admitted earlier this week, I am really
bummed that I cannot make "21 Century" night. That one will hurt.

It's clear that I am in very small vocal minority here who was willing to be honest about feeling that the American Steely Dan fans were treated poorly this year and that the whole way the Special NYC Shows were announced was very shady & scummy in my opinion. And good for those long suffering fans Down Under! Like I said at least they have a choice by the early notice of the NYC Special Shows, they can buy tickets at home or venture to NYC or do both. But at least they were told far in advance and given the choice.

It is also very apparent that I am also in the very small vocal minority of people here who are after buying tickets yesterday or today are willing to admit that there is some major price gouging going on in NYC. I usually expect at least a kiss & perhaps a nice dinner before I am ravaged. I am actually quite sad today knowing that normal Steely Dan tickets (not VIP or Meet&Greet or All Access)have hit the $250 threshold. Especially in a run of shows said to be for the "hard suffering, true fans". Like I said, it's a sad fact. But at least no one here can ever accuse me of being a Steely Dan "Lemming" or "Pollyanna" ever again. And yes, for all of my issues with the tour this year, I am happy that many of us folks here will get a chance to see them and experience the music we have come to love.

Uncle Bob,

Yet once again you have totally missed my point on Saturday night Roseland '03 & Soboba '06 - shows I was lucky enough to experience.
Roseland was a gimme, like shooting fish in a barrel. It was fever pitch from the word go with a jammed packed house full of us "Lemming Faithful". Soboba on the other hand was earned. It totally built and took you by surprise. The crowd was filled with blue collar hard working people who didn't even own "Android Warehouse" or know what "My Rival" was. The show built as the amazed and even somewhat dumbfounded band fed off of the energy of the crowd and concluded in a huge eruption from both band and audience. I have never to this day have seen another Steely Dan show like it. And As I have stated many times before, I actually prefered the 1995 Roseland shows to 2003 and I actually thought the two nights at Universal in October of 2003 after Roseland were actually executed more tightly musically because the band had been on the road with the new two night setlist. But yes I had a great time at Roseland and wish I was going there instead on the Beacon in September.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 14:17:54 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, ohio

Steely Bros and Sisters/ Alright enough already with piling on Brother Lurker Ray/ Hes a dandy of Gamma Chi God we all get a little pompous on this board sometimes' what do you expect we are Steely Dan fans/ a little smarter than the average bear. It is true the closer the tour gets we all start biting each other and I cant figure it out. Wish the Raj was around to explain it. I imagine he would tell us to relax and enjoy the show. Young Wu seems to be the voice of reason these days and if he would like to steer the subject in another direction I would gladly climb aboard. Peace all Brother Klaus

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:44:36 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Ray just needs to smoke a little chiba and relax.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:33:47 ET
Posted by: Uncle Bob, ...

Some classic Lurker Ray pontification is when he makes his annual concert-season jump up onto his little soapbox to expound on why the Soboba show was not only better than the Roseland shows, but in fact the best SD show of all time...

Lurker Ray is a legend in his own room...

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 13:08:49 ET
Posted by: FF, R

I guess they couldn't schedule any dates until the Bob Seger tour would be over? Well he is an SD fan and did once rhyme "freezing rain" with "insane" as a nod.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 12:39:50 ET
Posted by: Don Patrol, Mtl

Just ordered my Rarites and Bs at the Beacon tix!!!NYC here we come!!!

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 11:25:05 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, waiting for noon

LMAOOO @ Lurker Dr, Phil

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 10:38:34 ET
Posted by: Lurker Dr. Phil, a vision of a child returning

Hey, leave Lurker Ray alone. His arrogant and malevolent attitudes are simply due to him embracing his inner child due to a later-life trauma. What's more comforting for one during a mid-life crisis than to draw upon the principals of a six year old and believe that everyone else is wrong and the truth solely lies with your words and beliefs.

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 10:31:45 ET
Posted by: Australia ... and New Zealand?, ...

Sentence found at the end of an article on a couple of stage crew members on tour with Bob Seger:

"Six days after the Seger tour ends later this month, he�s off for a five-month Steely Dan U.S. tour. After that, there�s talk of an Australian and New Zeeland Steely Dan tour that would last through November."

http://www.annarbor.com/entertainment/bob-seger-advance/

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 01:50:04 ET
Posted by: Lurker Kurt, lurkerville

Lurker Ray is the new authority on this board, he thinks.
Obsessive and abrasive. Good knowledge but creepy in his deliverance. Gets off on proving part time Steely Dan fans wrong.
Shits in peoples corn flakes, to use his own words.
You don't weant to sit next to him at a show, at least Lurker Kurt doesnt. Rajah he is not....

Date: Sun, May 15, 2011, 01:08:44 ET
Posted by: mike_the_wu, Jersey

Lurker Ray
I am just reading all of the latest posts. I believe all I was trying to say in mine was had I known that the Beacon was going to have a variety of shows and the Tower shows were going to be duplicates, I would have skipped a night at the Tower and went to the Beacon. But after seeing the Beacon prices my 96.00 row 3 orchestra tickets at the Tower are looking good. I still might venture up to the Beacon and attempt to get the cheap seats (although they seem to sell first, I wonder why?). The Beacon prices are quite high in my opinion considering I just bought 2 Orchestra tickets today for CSN at the Beacon on 8/30 for around a hundred bucks each today. And please before anyone starts I am not trying to compare CSN to the Dan or the Dead or anyone else. It just seems 96.00 buys you a scripted setlist, where 243.00 buys you the variety shows, or then again it could be 96.00 buys you a Philly ticket and 243.00 buys you an NYC ticket, who knows.
I completely agree with the post saying the Dan and the Dead's music are different and I have been to 100+ Dead shows and almost every Dan show that has been in this area, the first being in 1973. The Dan are perfectionists and the Dead are a party band, I enjoy both, they are my 2 favorites. I am just an aging hippy who enjoys good music and not a music critic. But now that we are in to the topic of ticket prices and gouging, I believe it was the Eagles who started the 250+ buck ticket fiasco. I never went to see them again after they started that. Quite honestly I can not afford or would I pay that much and I would think the artists would understand this country is going through hard economic times. Personally, and I stress personally I will not pay 250 bucks for a ticket for anyone, and I mean anyone. (PS - Just to light another fire, in thirty plus years the Dead never charged over a hundred bucks for a ticket unless it was a charity event) On that note have a pleasant day/night everyone

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 23:28:17 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Alan, Scotty and all my other brothers from down under

I am so happy for you guys!! My first reaction was to find a way to come to Oz to party with you, but after 14 shows stateside I'd better not. Know that I love and miss you guys and I'll be there in spirit. Congrats my cobbers. You deserve it!!

Hugs and kisses
DanFiend

PS: Lurker Ray, you are the man! Everyone in Dandom waits with baited breath for your intelligent and insightful musings. Your luminescence is both awed and envied by all. So much, in fact, that I dare not cast a shadow by addressing you further--ever.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 22:26:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

You can see what I mean. Though, "Are some pro-punk anti-Yacht Rock hackers having some fun with us?" really put a smile on my face this evening. But people seem to forget that there will be NO shows this year. It's all going to end next Saturday at his time isn't it?

Alan,

Welcome back. And congrats on the tour dates. I hope you guys get some Special Set shows to chose from.

STEVE WINWOOD & STEELY DAN - NAME THAT TOUR 2011 WINTER LEG

Low Spark of High-Healed Sneakers Tour
Pearly Queen Of The Quarter Tour
Arc Of The Funky Driver Tour
Can't Find My Home At Last Tour or
I Can't Find My All Too Mobile Home Tour
Dear Mr Sam Tour
Paper Sun Mountain Tour
Finer Things Tour
Medicated Gaucho Tour
High Roll With It Tour
I'm A Third World Man Tour
Valerie & Josie - The Babylon Sisters Tour
Shanghai Confidential Noodle Factory Tour
Shoot Out At My Old School Tour
Turn Up The Eagle Flies Tour
BP Freedom Overspill Tour
Bright Lights, Different Light Tour
Back In The High Life Do It Again Tour
While You See A Chance, Get Along Kid Charlemagne Tour
John Barleycorn Must Surf And Or Die Tour
No We Can't Spanish Dance Together Tour
Vacant Greasy Chair Tour
I Know I'll Love You Higher Tour
Withering Banyan Tree Tour
Glad Sneakers Tour
Frozen Rainmaker Tour
He's A One Way Freedom Rider Tour
Gimme Some Funked Up Music Tour
Were You Blind Faith That Day? Tour
Naked Girl With The Airplane Needs A Steely Dan T-Shirt Tour

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:40:34 ET
Posted by: alan, @steamer heaven

Lurker Ray

You Sir have become a complete WANKER !

Please do everyone a favor and return to lurkerville.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:38:34 ET
Posted by: Brother from another planet, LA

Who is this Lurker Ray guy?

I haven't been reading for a while. Scanning the last several days for tour news I feel like I'm being mugged. Did this board change hands to some rebel army? Are some pro-punk anti-Yacht Rock hackers having some fun with us?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 21:23:59 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The MJA Test Ticket Pre-Sale Has Ended

Well, just as predicted, they
are going Down Under for the
Winter Leg. I'd surely wager
that they probably won't be
coming back Stateside if you
look at the 2007 tour as an
example.

Good news for them especially
since with the early news they
have a choice how to spend their
Steely Dan money this year.
Stay or come to NYC, they have
a wide variety of choices and
plans they can make with plenty
of time to decide.

Deano,

No worries, we understand that
do to your financial hardship
that you cannot come to NYC and
are quite happy to just live
vicariously through the reports
of others. We understand that
you will have no worries this year
about taking sick or vacation days,
spending tax return money that was
supposed to go elsewhere, spending
money on hotels & airfare, cabs,
food, shuttle busses, gas or
spending hundreds of more dollars
on NYC tickets because you won't be
there. We understand that you will
be just hunky-dory and happy as a pig
in the mud just sitting home and reading
about the highly exclusive & elite
NYC shows. No reason to rock the
boat. We understand.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:59:09 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hi The Dean,

Yes, these winery concerts have a very similar setup to your "Sheds". They have become extremely popular over here, and rightly so.

No better day out than good food, wine and friends with Steely Dan on stage :)

link with further info for those interested:

http://www.adayonthegreen.com.au/

Cheers,

Scotty

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:54:35 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

article on SD/Steve Winwood New Zealand tour:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU1105/S00257/steely-dan-and-steve-winwood-to-tour.htm

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:49:53 ET
Posted by: Australian Ticketmaster link, is here!

http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/Steely-Dan-tickets/artist/736195

And it has a sixth date:

Oct 30 Sun - Leconfield Wines McLaren Vale, SA
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

/PGE

So... what are the chance of any European, Asian, other international dates now that Australia is on?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 19:17:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Scott,

That's great news for you guys. You deserve it. There seem to be a lot of great Dan fans in Australia. "The Green" seems to be quite the popular spot for a concert, I take it. :#)

So, Winwood and The Dan. Any chance they share the stage for a song or two?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:51:41 ET
Posted by: Scotty, Sydney

Hi folks,

Been a few years since I've posted on here.

Got some exciting news for the Aussie fans in the mail this morning.

Ticketmaster in Aus have the following shows, with pre-sales starting in 15 mins:

Oct 19 Wed - Sir James Mitchell Park South Perth, WA
An Evening On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 22 Sat - Bimbadgen Winery Pokolbin, NSW
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 23 Sun - Sirromet Winery Mount Cotton, QLD
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

Oct 25 Tue - Sydney Entertainment Centre Darling Harbour, NSW
Steely Dan & Steve Winwood

Oct 29 Sat - Rochford Wines Coldstream, VIC
A Day On The Green - Steely Dan

Cheers,

Scotty

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:46:11 ET
Posted by: Red Eye , beacon bound

El Sup - the newsletter said there will be "several" packages

http://steelydan.com/newslarchives.html#48

Lurker Ray and lawncareblues,
I'm going to those links, I get a Beacon page of some sort, and a Ticketmaster page, but on both it says that tickets are not yet on sale. Are you getting a working purchase link somewhere?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:34:27 ET
Posted by: lawncareblues, canada

dude whats the password for the mja test tickets-ive been e mailing with steely dan and they say that mja thing is not active

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 18:31:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Ray,

Here's my question to you. If my ONE upbeat post about this tour, in your words, "[became] quite tiresome", what should we all use to describe your FIFTEEN (rough count) posts whining about the tour? "A breath of fresh air?" "Another of Ray's standard chum bucket whiny posts?"



Moving on, there's a huge issue to consider when comparing the Dead's setlist strategy to that of SD. I like the Dead just fine and have seen them in concert on several occasions (maybe 5 or 6 times over the years). First of all we need to remember the Dead's music, while fun and interesting, is nowhere near as challenging as The Dan's. But, more importantly, The Dead was not exactly known for being particularly tight or consistent on a night-by-night basis. Of the shows I saw, one was great, most were fine and two were total embarrassments (IMO of course).

My extreme Dead-head fans have no problem admitting (and overlooking) this variance in quality from the live shows. I doubt most serious Dan fans would feel the same with regard to SD and I'm fairly certain Donald and Walt simply would have no part of that.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 17:38:28 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I forgot to mention that "MJA Test Tickets"
are now on sale for all of the shows:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D0046AD765E3A84?camefrom=CFC_BEACONTHEATRE_BEACONTHEATRE&brand=beacontheatre&__utma=213665671.145264027.1305405776.1305405776.1305405776.1&__utmb=213665671.0.10.1305405776&__utmc=213665671&__utmx=-&__utmz=213665671.1305405776.1.1.utmcsr=msg.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/events/steely-dan&__utmv=-&__utmk=198671596

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 17:31:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

BREAKING BEACON NEWS!!!!!!

Wow, I thought I got gouged when
I paid $150 a ticket for great seats
at the Greek here in LA.

Get ready to open up the pocket books
folks starting tomorrow for the Beacon
shows. If you want any type of "good"
seats in either the Loge or Orchestra
it will run you a whopping $243.25!!!
To sit in the better rows of the boomy
Balcony it will run you $100.45

So I guess earlier this week when some
people here started to speculate that
ONLY in NYC could they keep costs down
to do an extended run, I guess they were
right. What a bargain. Those winery
tickets with meal sound like a fire sale
now huh Connie!?

The "Diplomacy" continues.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 16:34:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

I don't know why anyone here would attack you for being a "Dead Head"
(but then again around here you never know)- especially since this forum would not be here if it were not for the Grateful Dead. Hoops has told the story many times. As I said in an earlier post, Donald is clearly a big fan of the Dead so why not in the "spirit" of the Dead do a Special Setlist every night or at least in the spirit of the Dead or other Beacon favs, the Allman Brothers, post the entire tour schedule at once so the fan can choose how they want to spend their hard earned cash in these economic tough times. Instead of selling tickets to the rest of the country and Canada and then saying, "Oh by the way the better shows will be in NYC". Some of us here are willing to admit that we have been had. And let's remember how MUCH cheaper & easier it is to come to NYC the closer you actually live to the NY metropolitan area.

steelydoc,

Oh great, so now only NYC is only going to get the original "Fan Voting" as first advertised! But just screw LA, Chicago & Milwaukee??
So glad to see that the "Diplomacy" continues.

BillFromPgh,

I don't see anything "Diplomatic" in the way they have treated the fans in every other city currently on sale. Or people who already bought seats. "Shuffle Diplomacy", is that Fox News style? Fair & Balanced? Don't you think that if they were going to do wide & varied different setlists every night this summer they would have announced that early to help sell seats? Are you forgetting that "Shuffle" also means, "To act in a shifty or deceitful manner"? It means to "equivocate", to use equivocal language and equivocal means, "Open to two or more interpretations and often intended to mislead". So yeah I'd say the "Shuffle Diplomacy" has occurred, it was after everyone else bought their tickets and then they announced the better shows in NYC.

And you can bet your ass that "people" in the inner marketing circle must monitor this forum. Just take a look at the background color of this Beacon/MSG ad! ;O) -

http://www.msg.com/polopoly_fs/1.67355.1305036138!/image/246592606.jpg

Now you can just copy and paste when you want to ad the artwork Hoops!

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 15:36:21 ET
Posted by: Chet, up

Danfiend,

That sweater was very reminiscent of a hand knit one my mother made for me when I was in kindergarten in 1974. I think mine had camels. I always gave him a pass on it because I assumed his mom did the same for him. Besides, nobody looks very stylish in the proximity of Denny Dias in overalls. A refugee from Black Oak Arkansas, as Rolling Stone once put it.

Tangentially SD: The Red Sox have a pitcher named Dan Bard.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 14:04:23 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Does anyone know if there is going to be a "package buy" option for all seven Beacon shows? I would hate to be up there for 10 days and not have tickets for a couple of the shows.

Any info would be appreciated and can't wait to see everyone again,

Mike

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 13:46:52 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @ SteelyDoc

Ah! The ugly sweater that Donald wore in the Katy Lied pics. He must have tons of them cuz there are recent pics of him in that hideous thing too. I gots to get me one now. Thanks.

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 13:05:53 ET
Posted by: lawncareblues, canada

we know about the amex presale tomorrow-its the "mja test ticket" presale today that i am looking for a password-methinks mja stands for metropolitan jazz affair

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 12:47:12 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

movieirv

The presale for the Beacon is an American Express Card deal, so all you need is an AMEX card (I am fairly sure)

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 11:44:30 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

does this look familiar to anyone? a great item to weat to a Dan show...


http://www.etsy.com/listing/63663724/moose-ugly-christmas-sweater-t-shirt?utm_source=bronto&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Image+-+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.etsy.com%2Flisting%2F63663724%2Fmoose-ugly-christmas-sweater-t-shirt&utm_content=etsy_finds_051411&utm_campaign=etsy_finds_051411

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 09:06:03 ET
Posted by: movieirv, philly

does anybody know the code to buy tickets early online for the Beacon?

Date: Sat, May 14, 2011, 08:11:28 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower

steelydan.com is updated again as of today. Click on "updated May 14" and there is a pop up that tells you how to vote for certain Beacon setlists. I think that's the only change...

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 23:16:04 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa FL

"Green Earing" was a song that I meant to include in my
short "I don't want to hear it list, along with "Aja", "Hey Nineteen and a couple of other hits that we seem to hear on most of SD's shows. I had posted such a list a week or so ago on this wonderful site.
But I wanted to add my two cents on how each touring year there seems to be one song that really stands out or one that sounds brand new like you're hearing it for the first time.
On the 2009 tour, for me, "Black Cow" was that song. I've always liked it, but the spin they put on it was just like nothing I'd ever heard before.
On the 2007 tour, "Everything you Did" was a revelation to me.
On the 2003 tour, "Haitian Divorce" as sung by Walter really was a highlight of the evening.
In 2000, there were a few of them. Namely "The Boston Rag" and "Dirty Work" as sung by the ladies.
I'm hoping, as others here have already speculated, that the boys will have HBO or some fine company videotape the Beacon Theatre shows and release them as a box set or release the music as a boxed set on mulitple CD's of these fine live shows.
After all, these will be historic nights and the music could live on forever.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 22:35:37 ET
Posted by: BillFromPgh,

The name of the tour is encouraging to those of us who want to see them mix up the set lists

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 21:38:18 ET
Posted by: Danfan, Toronto

"Update"on the Toronto show is that there are only a few hundred seats left,the lawn seats sold out fast. This show is over 2 months away (July.22) and is a sure bet to be a sell out... get a move on people. See you there... 14th row L C is looking soooo good from hear.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 19:16:26 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, Jersey

Lurekr Ray

Lets hope they do something special in Philly. Somehow I don't think people comprehend the concept of playing different shows in the same city. One of the other groups on the top of my list has always been the Grateful Dead (feel free to beat me up for being a dead head). But one of their strong points was when they played 5 nights in Philly or various other places I have seen them they played a different setlist every night. People have always been puzzled by the fact that I would go to all 5 shows and I attempt to explain that the Dead played a different show every night, not the same scripted setlist that most other groups do. Variety can be great in the world of music. Having said that I will continue to love and follow Steely Dan. I just wish that Donald and Walter would realize we want to hear all of their music, and not a scripted setlist every night. But either way I keep going to the shows and they should reward Philly because as you said, we do support them, special shows or not. Thats the end of my whining for today, later everyone

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 18:03:32 ET
Posted by: Lurekr Ray, Malibu

mike_the _wu,

I still think they might do something special for you Philly fans. A town that has always been a Steely Dan/Donald Fagen stronghold.
Remember what happened in Boston in 2009 after people complained?

And I think you have every right to be bummed. Like I have said, I think the entire Special Setlist/NYC matter has been handled very poorly by Donald, Walter and their management. Funny, a couple of months ago I was attacked and called a "Steely Dan Pollyanna", a "Steely Dan Lemming" willing to always sing their praises and follow them blindly as if they could do no wrong because I thought they didn't owe Keith Jarrett a dime - and then this week I get attacked for saying that I think the whole Special Setlist/NYC matter is very shading and scummy - people attacked me for raining on the parade!

Now some other "Steely Dan Pollyanna's" have speculated that it was "Market Research" though again I was the only one attacked and called for "pissing". Market Research, give me a break. Here's a little story - from early on we have known here in Los Angeles that they were going to do "Aja" & what they originally called another fan voted "Request Night" (they quietly dropped that as of this week BTW, though it still appears on their website press release!) here at the Greek Theatre. Tickets went on sale almost a month ago now and you know what, it was the "Request Night" that sold the quickest and the best seats went the fastest, not "Aja" night as one might think! Even after the presales!

The research was in and early. As I have said, you could take the three most very Special Nights, "Rarities", "Dawn Of The Dan" & "21 Century Dan" and book them in Philly, Toronto, Atlanta, Chicago, Boston or LA and the would sell out. And I will wager that when the NYC Beacon tickets go on sale in 2 days it will be THOSE 3 nights that will sell the quickest! Even faster than "By Popular Demand" night I will bet. Fans & even the most casual of fan or even date night folks want the Special Shows. Even above "Aja" Nights or the "Best Of" nights that most of America & Toronto are getting this summer. The demand IS already clearly there.

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 11:47:03 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey

Hoops. thanks and I do understand everything you are saying. I saw these guys in concert for the first time in 1973 at the Spectrum in Philly, and have been following them since much before then, so I realize they are unpredictable. Having said that though every once awhile I look for a semblance of logic. Last year they did the 2 SS nights at the tower and sold out both nights. So I figured great when I saw 2 nights at the tower again this year and got tix for both nights. But now that I see whats going on the Beacon I was just a little bummed and might sell one night and go up there. Sorry, I am done my whining for now, later

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 08:27:13 ET
Posted by: srch, kb

A story about the Hudson Valley being a celebrity hideaway. I hope this doesn't blow Don's cover.


http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20110501/NEWS01/105010311/Mid-Hudson-Valley-is-hideaway-for-the-rich-and-famous?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 07:34:24 ET
Posted by: hoops , chicago, on the quick

Mike the Wu:

The short answer is "we don't know--they don't give out those reasons."

It's even possible that the venue doesn't want each show to be different. I had a friend who ran an arena and that sort of thing actually did happen with another musical act.

The longer answer is that, despite our hundreds (thousands?) of posts through the years speculating why or why they don't play this song or why they play or don't play that venue or use a certain musician or..., the fact is there are various reasons, almost all of which are beyond our comprehension. Maybe they have play a certain shit-hole venue that they hate as part of a package that also allows them to play a venue that is amazing; and don't you think, if money were no object, that they'd prefer to play a club seating 200 rather than the likes of the United Center or AllState Arena seating 15,000+? Maybe a venue we love sucks for them. "The sound and sight lines are great for the audience but they have no back stage and we have operate out of our tour bus!" Maybe Donald and Walter don't want to play a certain amazing song because every time they play it, it reminds them that their wallet was stolen while they recorded it. Etc., etc, etc.

Just sayin'.

Have a great day. And I mean that part! :-)

Jim

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 03:31:27 ET
Posted by: mike_the _wu, jersey

Hey all, last year at the tower they did SS nights, why would they not do them this year, because they sell out here all the time? I am bummed, might sell one of my tower nights and head up to the beacon, go figure

Date: Fri, May 13, 2011, 01:08:35 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

R.I.P. Uncle Funky.
Great, uncompromising artist.
Recorded with Purdie and Rainey quite a bit.
Steve Khan of Gaucho fame has a great new cd out this week, with Dennis Chambers, Anthony Jackson, Badrena.
He thinks it's his last one and sadly it's called "Parting shot"
Well worth it.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 19:23:16 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but wouldn't be cool if we got "This All Too Mobile Home" on rarities night?! That's long been a fan favorite.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 19:10:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

RIP to my cousin Cornell

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 18:17:35 ET
Posted by: mmmclhfaq, New York

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Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 16:33:05 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, ONLY 7 shows @ the Beacon?

RIP Cornell Dupree- (obit reprinted without permission from Variety):
Guitarist Cornell Dupree, one of the most prolific and talented session players in R&B and jazz, died May 8 in Fort Worth, Texas.
Dupree was 68 and had recently been diagnosed with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Known as "Mr. 2500" (for the number of recording sessions on which he reputedly played) and "Uncle Funky," Dupree established himself as a studio star at Atlantic Records in the '60s. Over the years he cut freelance dates with Miles Davis, B.B. King, Ray Charles, Herbie Mann, James Brown and Jimmy Smith, to name just a handful of his most notable employers.

Born in Fort Worth, Dupree was initially an alto saxophonist but was inspired to pick up the guitar as a teen after seeing a local concert by Johnny "Guitar" Watson. A blues player, he branched into R&B at 19 when he joined saxophonist King Curtis' band the Kingpins, where he played alongside the pre-stardom Jimi Hendrix.

With Curtis, Dupree became part of the nucleus of Atlantic's New York house band, which included keyboardist Richard Tee and drummer Bernard "Pretty" Purdie. He can be heard on Brook Benton's "Rainy Night in Georgia," the celebrated "Live at the Fillmore West" albums recorded in 1971 by Curtis and Aretha Franklin and sets by such '70s Atlantic stars as Donny Hathaway and Roberta Flack. He was a member of Franklin's touring band from 1967-76.

In 1976, Dupree became a founding member of the jazz-funk instrumental unit Stuff, which also included Tee and (in a later incarnation) drummer Steve Gadd. The unit cut half a dozen albums for Warner Bros. The guitarist later played with Gadd in a spinoff band, the Gadd Gang.

Beginning with "Teasin'" in 1974, he released 10 solo albums under his own name; his 1988 set "Coast to Coast" received a Grammy nomination. Some of his jazz-flavored work found him playing alongside such former Atlantic labelmates as David "Fathead" Newman and Hank Crawford. An album he cut for Austin's Dialtone Records is awaiting release.

He published an instructional book, "Rhythm & Blues Guitar," in 2000.

Dupree's survivors include wife Erma.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 14:34:47 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

steeydoc,

Thanks for the DonaldFagen.com update.
Though I really thought that Donald
would have written something about
Roger Nichols by now. Any ideas or
news on why Philly isn't getting any
Special Setlist nights like they
did in 2009? Hopefully they will
do what they did in Boston after they
got shorted in 2009 and give you guys
a special show on one of the nights.

TODanfan,

Yeah like I said it just rings really
scummy to me. And I totally agree that
Toronto also has a proven track record
for selling Donald Fagen/Steely Dan
tickets. I also believe that ANY of
"Special Setlist" nights would have
sold out also in Toronto, like I pointed
out in my May 9th post.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 14:24:51 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Vert

I thought the same thing. But then again, perhaps he's trying to justify her dying so young in his mind and that came out in the article. The fact that she's gone now, doesn't make her seem much like a hypochondriac after all.

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 12:35:53 ET
Posted by: Vert, A1

Was it necessary to bring up the hypochondria?

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 11:36:29 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

donaldfagen.com has a tribute to Phoebe Snow, from DF :


http://donaldfagen.com/feature_items.php?itemID=132

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 09:43:00 ET
Posted by: luke, NJ

I'm looking forward to these SD shows, I know that I'm in the minority here but...I HATED The Dukes Of September! Boring with a capital B!

Date: Thurs, May 12, 2011, 00:15:48 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, home

Hey Lurker Ray you're right about them announcing the special shows too late. Last time TO had 2 album nights. We went to Aja + and it was superb at Massey Hall. Where, by the way they could do a run like the Beacon and sell as many ducats.

So now we have our seats for the Amphitheatre show which I may not have bought had I known then about the specials in NYC & elswhere. Still contemplating the splurge but it's a big one for us. So hopefully at our show the boys will play a rarity or two.

Anyway, its great to have them out there touring again and I look forward to the reviews and setlists here as usual.

Cheers

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 21:41:56 ET
Posted by: thefez, Boston

Connie - I lived around the corner from the Worcester Center in MA after getting out of college in the early 80's and scored excellent tickets for tons of shows a day or two before the show, sometimes day of. 30 years later I'm around the corner from the Comcast Center in Mansfield, MA and same holds true, including SD shows there. 'Reserve the Date' and plan on scoring some tasty duckets around show time, I'm sure it will work out.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:58:59 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

I called the Mountain Winery this am. They have 1 ticket left at $225 plus you have to buy the dinner package on top of that. The show sold out. Stupid meetings!

Looking for a ticket now!

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:36:48 ET
Posted by: hoops, someone else's computer

I can't read my email right now, but I have a feeling I should thank Dean and Doc and a couple others. I did the fix. So thanks.

Best,

Jim

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 15:55:50 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

The last time I saw the Keytar in all of it's splendor was at Chumash on January 19, 2007. I have not seen it since.

DB16,

All reports said the Beacon Dukes shows were 2/3 full maybe even less the second night, while all reports have both the Tower in Philly & the Greek here in LA sold-out or near capacity and remember the Greek has twice the seats as the Beacon and was on a Wednesday night. My point is that just because Don & Walter prefer to sleep in their own beds (I mean who doesn't!)and "walk" to shows if they want to (if they don't get mugged) NYC is not necessarily the best place to sell tickets, especially for an extended run. I get why they are doing the special shows only in NYC, the exclusivity of the shows will help put butts in the seats. They have a lot of nights to fill and with this economy I'm sure they figured that people would not come out again for two nights of "Royal Scam" or two nights of "Gaucho". Believe me, I get it. And I bet you won't see those Boston shows go on sale till after the NYC tickets have been available for quite some time. They want/need as many people to come to the Beacon as possible. Like I said, I get it. But towns like Boston, Philly & LA have proven that they can sell equal or probably more tickets.

I guess what really irkes me and what rings as scummy to me was the way they waited until all of the shows across America were on sale or almost sold out in some towns until they announced the NYC "Special Shows". In the spirit of the Allman Brothers or better yet the Grateful Dead, who Donald clearly admires and is the reason this wonderful forum is here, why not announce all of the shows at once including the "Special Shows"? This would have given the fan a chance to make a choice and plan how they wanted to spend their hard earned Steely Dan dollar this year. Especially in this hard economic climate in the States. Maybe a fan in Alabama would have loved to come to NYC, but they bought 4 or 5 seeats to a Bama show and now they can't afford to come to NYC and now they wil miss out.

Which brings me to why I brought up "Gaucho" night in LA. It was a night filled with many songs the majority of the audience didn't even know, yet they still went apeshit. They had enough "hits" in the mix
to satisfy even the most casual of fans in the crowd that Saturday night. All I am saying is that I don't buy into any of the "market research" theories that have been floating around here. I guarantee that you could take ANY of the Special NYC shows (even "Rarities" or "21st Century Dan")and if you booked them into theaters in Boston, LA or Philly on Friday & Saturday nights back-to-back, they would sell out. And in a venue like the Greek it would actually double the seating capacity of the Beacon and actually be like selling out 4 nights in NYC. And remember that is with a horrific 12% unemployment rate here in LA County.

And finally, "Bad Sneakers". My point is that the song killed in Boca Raton & Italy in 2009 and was number 13 on Hoops iTunes list (obviously people love this tune), yet they dropped it after Italy. Like I said, so much for "market research". If a song clearly gets a big response from a audience, wouldn't market research dictate to play it? I believe that like most of songs on "Katy Lied", Donald doesn't like playing it. It had nothing to do with giving the fans what they wanted to hear.

And I don't like pancakes Daddy. Too many carbs.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 14:34:00 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains

I disagree.

What's notable is that the "way" he plays the keytar is different than the way be plays sit-down synths. He uses the pitch wheel with his left hand, bending single notes here and there to almost emulate a guitar player. It's all over Babylon Sisters on AIA.

And that same "style" of playing is on Trans Island Skyway.

Check the bent synth notes after:
"With all screens and functions...(bend!)"

and

"The kid who was driving I know from somewhere...(bend!)"

I have a feeling he was jamming along with the song on the keytar, and the tape was rolling. He (or Walter) kept it in for the sake of whatever.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 13:23:30 ET
Posted by: keytar,

In the studio Donald just used standard Roland, Korg, Yamaha and Sequential Circuits sit down synthesizers.

The Lync Keytar was just for stage mobility. It could have had an optional on-board synthesizer, but he might have been using MIDI to trigger backstage synthesizers. I remember him saying something about that in an interview, and that he bought a couple backup Lyncs after the company went out of business.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 07:51:30 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains

Ben,

The last I saw Don use the Keytar was for the 2003 EMG tour. As far as its use in the studio, I definitely hear it on Trans Island Skyway and possibly some other songs from Kamakiriad.

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 00:32:09 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

I know I need a hobby, but does anyone else think about Don's playing of the keytar? He strapped it on in the early '90s and he tickles it a bit in the Plush 2vN dvd, but I don't recall the last time I saw it played during a show. Is it used more as a concert element to get him moving and center stage? I haven't studied the album credits recently, but has the keytar been used in the studio? Who else but Donald could make instruments like the melodica and keytar so hip, yet important?! Okay, maybe Augustus Pablo on melodica and the dudes from Cameo on keytar, but who plays both?

Date: Wed, May 11, 2011, 00:11:26 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

I'm sure I read "revues" of the Dukes tour if they were posted here, but I don't remember any in particular. But it's not about the mythical "vibe" of the show, the critical reaction, or the utility of the audience; it's about ticket revenues. Where are the numbers? If you can show me numbers with other shows generating more revenues than the Beacon shows, then that's fine, and I won't question you.

I didn't go to any shows in LA in 2009, but you've been very vocal about the Gaucho show being the best. There might have been other people on this forum that's said it was the best of LA 2009 shows as well, but I don't remember. However, just because you say it's so doesn't mean it's so. People have different preferences, and I find it possible that someone who attended multi-night shows in LA could think another night was better or it's possible that someone who attended only the Gaucho show wishes he could've gone to the Aja show. But even if the Gaucho show was indisputably, irrefutably the best show of the 2009 LA shows, that still doesn't mean it sold more tickets than the other shows. It might have, but unless you have numbers, I can't be sure.

I guess I just don't get your point about Bad Sneakers. What's the big deal about them not playing Bad Sneakers? Let's say they were playing 20 songs (plus Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More, and Itchin' which they were going to play regardless of requests), and if the ballots went through, let's say Bad Sneakers came in 15th place and Dr. Wu came in 21st. Maybe they decide to play Dr. Wu to appease the faction of fans that has been clamoring to hear that song played, and they feel more comfortable playing songs 16-20 based on their own personal preferences and "market research." So they play Dr. Wu and don't play Bad Sneakers. Big deal. Now let's say the ballots don't exist, and Donald and Walter choose exactly what they play. They make a list of what they believe is their 30 most popular songs and choose 20 to play at the Internet Request Night. Bad Sneakers is one of the ten that doesn't make the cut. Big deal. I mean, I'm not sure what you're going for... do you think there's some sort of conspiracy where Donald and Walter are not playing Bad Sneakers just to piss you off? I mean it's plainly obvious that they "fixed" the setlists for the request nights after the first couple of them, but that doesn't mean they didn't play what the majority of their fans wanted to hear at those shows.

If there is no economic incentive, why do you think they are playing seven nights or however many at the Beacon? Do you think Donald and Walter just said "hey, let's punish all of our non-New York fans and really rile them up by only playing each of the special setlist shows at the Beacon, despite the fact that we could make more money performing at other, nicer venues with better sound quality and better crowds?" Do you think they just put venues into a hat as far as where they are going to play the special setlist shows and randomly drew the Beacon? I think they made the tour the way they did for a reason. Maybe their reasoning is misconstrued and incorrect, but I think it's absurd to imply that no research goes into where they perform whichever special setlist show (not to mention possible logistical reasons for choosing their touring schedule). And by research, I mean research that goes well beyond reading reviews on the bluebook.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:45:37 ET
Posted by: gaear grimsrud , brainerd

@lurker ray: where's pancake's house?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:19:17 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Connie,
hopefully they'll be back out West - second leg of the tour, as they did a couple of years ago - played the Winery twice and Santa Rosa.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:16:43 ET
Posted by: SF, wine country

I just bought 2 tickets at the Mountain Winery for $81 each.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:09:02 ET
Posted by: TheFez, Boston

Connie: "Trapped in meetings all day. Finally out and got on line for tickets at Mountain Winery and the cheapest available is $172.00! Holey Moley!"

That's ridiculous. I can imagine what NYC will be. Serious buzzkill on my NYC plans if that ends up being the case.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 22:00:22 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

DB,

Did you read any of the revues here from the Dukes tour? Obviously not. And you totally missed the point about "Bad Sneakers". I guess you are still performing your market research. Do you really think that Donald & Walter's management company dictates what they play?

"But I would think that they would only do it at the Beacon if they thought demand for those shows would be higher there"

Again you are wrong. Take for example the 2009 4 dates in LA. Gaucho night. Only "Hey 19" appears on Hoops iTunes list. Twice.
It's the only song from Gaucho on the list. "Babylon Sisters" didn't even make the list. I'd wager that many of the people in that audience that night didn't even own Gaucho or know many of the songs.
But there were enough hits played to appease even the smallest fan and it was the best show of the 4 night stand. Yes Gaucho beat out even Aja. A Saturday night show, filled with "date nights" & the crowd went apeshit.

I guarantee you book two nights at the Greek here in LA, a Friday & a Saturday. Bring "Rarities" in on Friday & "21st Century Dan" in on Saturday and I would be telling you that Saturday night actually beat Friday night probably on Sunday. And that would just about double the seats for a 2 night run at the 2800 seat Beacon. Either of those two shows would sell out here in LA. They got nights to fill in that 2800 seater in NYC and the economy sucks, they are goig to do what it takes to fill that run. And yes I think they learned there lesson from the Dukes tour.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 21:49:43 ET
Posted by: TheFez, Boston

Hello One and All. I'm thinking of surprising the wife and booking 9/14 - 9/17 in NYC for the Dawn/Gaucho/Rarities shows at the Beacon (we met at the 2000 Mansfield show, rest is history!). I'm looking for recommendations on accomodations (and a babysitter!). Can anyone recommend any good hotels near the Beacon? Also looking for other Dan Fans to party during this time, particularly on the 9/15 off day. Any help appreciated and looking forward to stomping on the avenue by Radio City.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 20:35:42 ET
Posted by: Anonymous,

Florida dates coming?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:37:06 ET
Posted by: Connie, In the vineyard

Trapped in meetings all day. Finally out and got on line for tickets at Mountain Winery and the cheapest available is $172.00! Holey Moley!

I watched an ad over weekend for the Mountain Winery concert lineup and the backround song was "Do It Again" as they rolled out the concert lineup for the summer. I want to 'Do It Again' but I have to eat this summer.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:32:51 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Lurker Ray, I'm pretty sure we had this exact same argument in 2009. That year I recorded all of their setlists that were posted in this forum or elsewhere that I could find; unfortunately, because of some computer and backup issues, I no longer have that index to use in this argument. But I'll say this; I'm pretty sure that all of those other songs were played on the Internet Request Nights. I did not have the privilege to attend one, and I don't know if you did or not. Yes, I remember that their Internet Request Nights evolved into repetitive setlists, and I certainly think it's possible and maybe even probable that the actual "ballots" might have not been very reliable. But to use Bad Sneakers as an example of a "rigged" setlist doesn't really work, considering they played every other song on that list including Dr. Wu, which Donald (at least) clearly is uncomfortable playing. When it comes down to it, they played the songs that (for the most part and with the exclusion of Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More, and Love is Like an Itchin' in My Heart, which they were going to play anyway) the majority of their fans wanted to hear. To put another way, if you had to come up with a 20-22 song setlist that you would expect a "mainstream" fan (probably about 75% of their audience; just an uneducated guess) would vote for, what would it be? If Bad Sneakers is the only song missing, that's a good percentage. So even if the votes didn't exist, they still appeased the majority of their audience by playing the setlists that they played at Internet Request Night shows, even without Bad Sneakers. And that's kind of the point. So, I don't think you can expect anything different from the "by popular demand shows"-- but maybe they'll play Bad Sneakers. (As an aside, even though I used the i-tunes list in a previous argument, it isn't the only or even the best tool to measure the popularity of Steely Dan songs necessarily).

Now, about the fact that they're only doing the "special" special setlist shows at the Beacon, Lurker Ray, how are you backing up the fact that the Beacon numbers for the Dukes of September were "dismal?" I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious as to where you're getting your information. In my opinion, reliable information would be actual box office numbers, so if you have a link to those, I'd like to see them. Additionally, I think their management team probably makes those decisions more so than Donald and Walter, and their management team surely is comprised of business men who understand (or think they understand) the market. Of course, I don't really mind if they did the special shows at the Beacon or in Los Angeles or in Tulsa, Oklahoma. But I would think that they would only do it at the Beacon if they thought demand for those shows would be higher there, and if they had tangible, numerical evidence that indicated poor ticket revenues from years past, I think they would have done it elsewhere.

Different subject, but considering the volume and diversity of the different types of special setlists shows could lead to a higher volume of performable songs, what does everyone think their "normal" shows will be like?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 19:04:55 ET
Posted by: fezzie, boston

I don't understand all the angst regarding set lists,special set lists titled set lists!!Be happy that the boy's and girls will be with us for another tour.Their existence is just like life!!It could end tomorrow and then how much complaining would we do? Accept what you get and be happy for it.I know i will be.....fezzie

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:58:57 ET
Posted by: L Ray,

And BTW Anon,

Who's pissing on any parade?
I booked my frequent flyer miles
last night. They got my money.

They booked a bunch of nights at
the Beacon and after the dismal
Dukes numbers last year, they are
hedging their bets. Plain & simple.
If they do shows at the Beacon that
they aren't doing anywhere else it
will help to sell the shows booked
at the Beacon. It has nothing to
do with "market research".

Trust me, if they did the same shows
in Boston or LA, they would sell out.
This is a way to ensure that Beacon
will substain a lenghty run. And
what about Philly? Why no "SS"
shows for a city that has mucho
brotherly love for Steely Dan.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:32:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

DB16,

I can see where you are going also.
But I hardly think one show in such
a tiny market, like Boca Raton was
for "market research". "Bad Sneakers"
was also "tested"/played in Boca,
yet a month later they played it again
in Italy . And if you look at hoops'
iTunes list "Bad Sneakers" comes in
at an undeniable number 13. Yet when
they left Italy they never played it
again in 2009. So much for market
research.

I'm just saying, that if Steely Dan was
using NYC as "market research" (which I
find ridiculous)they would have chosen
a much better test market - Boston.
Just like in 2009. Boston is a much
more Steely Dan friendly than even NYC.
Not to mention that in 2009 LA had much
bigger crowds on many nights vs the Beacon.

And yes it will be a mother of a version
of "Deacon Blues" when they play Bama,
just like the last time they played the Warf.
Wish I could be there. You folks in Bama
deserve a great show, especially after all
of the sadness you have encountered this
spring.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 17:26:31 ET
Posted by: ,

Give it up, Ray. We're lucky that they are trying one show...most artists wouldn't even bother. And yeah, they could lose money on this one but the location and night reduces the risk. Fans will travel to NYC to hear a show that is exclusive and not elsewhere--say Philly. And having it on a Saturday ensures some casual fans will accidentally attend and fill seats.

If some of you think they shouldn't care if they break even on such shows, what would your wife say if you planned to work for a couple of days, told here you might lose money and you would have to pick up the expenses? She'd kill you if you went ahead.

Ray, this is a test. If it works, look for more. NYC is the only market big enough to cover expenses--L.A. might work but I am sure they will see how it works in NYC. If some rarity goes over big time then look for it to be added to other shows.

And as far as why no Aja night in Atlanta--consider that the venue and the promoter gets a say in whats performed.

I think you've reached a point where, yes, you just want to piss on our parade.




XOXOXO

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:46:12 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

FYI, Here at the Western World (normal, 1976 version) was played at a few (or maybe just one) of the early 2009 shows. If it was played at just one show, it would have been the Boca Raton show. I've heard a recording of that song from that show, and there wasn't a huge crowd response. This echoes Hoops' most recent post compiling their most purchased songs on i-tunes; if you'll notice, Here at the Western World isn't on there. I think this lends credibility to the theory that they generally will play what the majority of fans (non hardcore) wants and expects to hear. At the same time, however, they are cognizant of their hardcore fanbase who wants to hear songs like HATWW and hence they played it in early 2009 for market research to better understand how many of these so-called "hardcore" fans were actually in the audience/responsive to such a rarely performed song and to determine if it was worth selecting for the Internet Request Night. Based on the audience response (market research), it probably seemed to them that it wouldn't generate a huge response at a request night, and so they left it alone. So in some ways, it's very surprising that they're doing all these special setlist nights, especially the rarities and 21st century Dan, but it's not surprising that they are only doing it in one location so far. They need the market research.

As far as the rarities go, I hope it's unreleased tracks like The Second Arrangement, The Bear (I Got the Bear, the Bear Got You, whatever it's officially called), Kulee Baba, and This All Too Mobile Home. But I'd also be fine hearing completely new material as well. Considering how interested a lot of us are in new SD/Fagen/Becker albums, I'm sure that most people here will be fine with that too. With the 21st century Dan, in addition to Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go tracks, I hope they play some solo tracks, particularly The Night Belongs to Mona ( one of my all time favorites in the whole SD/Fagen/Becker catalogue). But even with these special setlist nights, they still are going to play "select" favorites as well. They might be stepping outside the box a little bit, but they aren't going far enough outside of it to alienate their mainstream fanbase to please a small portion of hardcore fans. Of course, (and I've stated this before), as one of those fans, I'm perfectly happy going to a regular "chum bucket show" in Tuscaloosa, AL (an hour away from my hometown; closest they've ever been to me) with several of my really good friends and hearing those select favorites for the 5th or so time in person. I bet they'll play the mother of all versions of Deacon Blues, and that'll actually be the first time I've heard that select favorite in person.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:35:51 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Hoops,

I can see where you are going but I'm not so sure that NYC is the
ultimate litmus test for new shows. Take for example last years "Dukes" tour. Even after a scrapped Jones Beach date the back-to-back Beacon dates(given they were on weekdays)had some dismal attendance. Much better crowds showed up on a Wednesday night in LA and jammed the Tower in Philly on a Saturday night.

I still think a "Rarities" night would drop-dead kill in markets like
Philly, LA, Boston & Chicago. Let's not forget that per SD.com, besides "numinous Night of Nights were all will be revealed" they are going to fill out the setlist with "additional selected favorites and hits". Even the "date nights", casual fan will be happy. Any of these special shows would have filled seats in Philly, LA, Boston or our lovely Chicago.

Your iTunes list also clearly proves that indeed, "Bad Sneakers" is
a major fan or casual fan "favorite". Yet in the rigged setlists from
ALL of the Internet Fan Voting shows in 2009, it NEVER got played.
Let's hope this years,"By Popular Demand" is not a sham.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 16:05:59 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago. on the quick

Here's a reality check for what fans want to hear--not just us super, ultra fans.

The iTunes Top 25 purchases of Steely Dan songs as of the past 30 minutes:

1. Reelin' (CBAT)
2. Peg (Aja)
3. Hey 19 (Decade)
4. Dirty Work (CBAT)
5. Reelin' (Decade)
6. Black Cow (Aja)
7. Aja (Aja)
8. Deacon Blues (Aja)
9. Home At Last (Aja)
10. Bodhisattva (Decade)
11. Black Friday (Decade)
12. Do It Again (CBAT)
13. Bad Sneakers (Decade)
14. I Got The News (Aja)
15. Do It Again (Decade)
16. Hey 19 (Gaucho)
17. Deacon Blues (Aja)
18. Kid Charlemagne (Royal Scam)
19. Rikki (Decade)
20. Josie (Aja)
21. Dr. Wu (Katy Lied)
22. My Old School (321 XTC)
23. Rikii (Pretzel Logic-1999)
24. FM (Decade)
25. My Old School (Decade)

Near the bottom of the list were the 1993 box set versions of many tracks, Show Biz Kids compilation versions and other compilations versions. The Pre-CBAT, grey-market tracks even did better than those; Also near the bottom were the 2vN tracks.

I think Our Favorite Duo is going quite out on a limb to offer special nights, even 2vN and EMG night, with "rarities" really having to justify itself this first time for it to be repeated this tour.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:57:05 ET
Posted by: Bill, Alabama

I saw Dan at Orange Beach,Al. The Wharf Amphitheatre two years ago. They return this summer and its a great venue. Most folks don't realize Bama has a beautiful beach. White sand like the other gulf coast beaches(Panama City Beach,Destin,etc.) Also the rates are down some by Aug. Where else can you get a room beach front 15 minutes from the concert for $150-$200??? [ Look for information on the Danfest list for this show next week. ]

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:46:24 ET
Posted by: Alkali, NYC usually

The Beacon Theatre will be a fabled cornucopian smorgasbord this fall!
god, I love NY

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:44:34 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Chicago

The Awesomeness level of this tour just went from 2 to 10! This is unbelievable. If I had my wave I'd go see "The Dawn of the Dan" "21st century Dan" and "Rarities." Not sure if I can get to NYC but you bet im going to take a long hard look at it.

This is like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE play Great Pagoda of Funn!

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:34:05 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Who wants to carpool to New York?

My guess for Dawn of the Dan... we (well, YOU lucky bastards) will get most of the stuff that BillfromPgh listed, plus probably one or two golden gems.

I think Midnight Cruiser will probably fill the void from Can't Buy a Thrill. I don't really see any mindblowing choices from that album. As awesome as it would be, I just think it's unlikely.

Your Gold Teeth will get played, I think. Remember, it was one of the few rare songs that fans could have picked to be in the setlist last summer. I don't know how much of a change King of the World has, but I would love it to be a staple of the tour.

As for Pretzel Logic... there's 4 of 5 semi-regulars from that album that they have. I'd be surprised if we got a crazy cut from that album.

Plus, songs like Turn That Heartbeat Over Again (or whatever) might be saved for the Rarity night. So I don't think we will see anything super nuts for Dawn of the Dan. Plus, it's not only these 3 albums. If the show is 20 songs or so, almost half the setlist will probably come from the other albums, so there isn't a lot of wiggle room.

I love this stuff... regardless of whether I will be there or not, I'm just super happy I get to see them this summer. It sucks a little I won't be seeing these amazing songs, but I'll live with Peg and Josie. It's 1000 times better than a Danless summer.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:31:07 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Bitter Beacon/Bacon:

1. You apparently could use a hug, too.

2. That DFB video is vertigo-inducing, true, but long, and the sound's OK.

3. Do you really think a band as obsessive/compulsive as ours is ONLY going to do the really deep stuff on that one magical night? Totally cold, w/out run-through of any kind? Bet not. What you'll get this tour is Aja/Josie/Peg/etc. every set, w/ some other stuff sprinkled through to help the band limber up. And when "Cash Only Island" or some other obscure gem gets played one warm summer night in Minnesota, some helpful taper will be there.

4. OR the guys are planning an official live release from the Beacon shows. So, short form:

5. The glass is actually half-full, after all.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 15:24:30 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Hoops,

No worries and I am also grateful
that "Rarities Night" is on a
Saturday. I just wish they would
have swapped out "Gaucho Night"
with "21st Century Dan Night" -
Now that would have made for a
terrific trifecta! ;O)

Thanks for all of the "hugs" guys
but I still feel that these special
shows only in NYC goes against
what we have come to expect in years
past as far as giving fans in all
parts of the country a chance to
see them as in 2009. Does anyone
know why the fine cities of Atlanta &
Philly who both also have back-to-back
shows are not getting any "SS" shows?

BillfromPgh,

A fine full studio version of "Fall of '92"
has been released. Though sadly it is on
a very rare DJ Promo release. A great live
version from '93 recorded at Irvine, CA
(which I actually prefer)is available on
the Import "Cousin Dupree" Maxi-Single.

Craig,

Walter did not sing "Gaucho" last tour
in 2009. It was Donald, during the
special "Gaucho" nights.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:23:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick, as always these days

L. Ray: Thanks for the heads up on "Any World..." at Milwaukee. Running back in the archives I found I actually was at the show and wrote about that in the Dandom Digest, I'm slipping.

Regarding Rarities, I think one show is enough for now to see how it does. It's great it's on Saturday so we can all travel there. Yet being on Saturday brings up how many casual fans will attend for date night.

We'll chat again tonight at 8 PM ET / 7 PM CT. Thanks for a great time last night, everyone!

Best,

Jim

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:12:39 ET
Posted by: Beacon Is Bacon, Hoffy Brand

CJB---

You are very wrong buddy. I challenge you to go through your collection of Steely Dan bootlegs and PLEASE tell us of any nice Fagen/Steely Dan recordings you have from the Bacon. They don't exist. Oh but there must be something great from the extended 2009 run, right? Nope. The security at the doors and in the aisles at the Beacon is run by brown shirts. Not to mention if you are able to sneak equipment in the sound in the joint is horrendous for audience recording not to mention at many locations throughout the theatre. You will not find any quality Steely Dan boots from the Bacon. I have a DVD from the Fagen solo show there , anyone remember Martha Gate? - And it gives you vertigo if you try and watch. Do mostly to the brown shirts swarming around the guy and he was in the balcony.

Now maybe someone like yourself will settle for short, cut-off, crappy, shaky cell phone videos on YouTube, but those don't count. So again I ask to please let us know of any quality Steely Dan boots that you have from the Bacon.

A little tip, don't waste your time. You will not find a one.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 14:00:34 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

Yes, "This All Too Mobile Home" would be incredible. Maybe bring Ricky Lawson back so he and Carlock can have a 10-minute duel like Porcaro and Hodder used to. In fact, bring Dinky Dawson back on the road to feed those drums through his on-board phase effects.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 13:53:41 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh,

A band this size needs arrangements. They got 'em for the following "Dawn" tunes that have been performed from 93 on:

Do It Again
Dirty Work
Midnight Cruiser (I love Walter's version, but I may be the only one)
Reelin' In The Years (pick a version - I'm digging the "club mix")
Bodhisattva
The Boston Rag
Show Biz Kids
My Old School
Rikki Don't Lose That Number
Night By Night
Any Major Dude Will Tell You
Parker's Band
Pretzel Logic
Monkey In Your Soul (ditto for WB version)

Anything beyond that will be gravy, and I think we will get more. I'd like to hear Gold Teeth (I), Brooklyn (girls sing?), King of the World (synth line arranged for horns), Fire in the Hole (fat chance), etc.

By the way, a drummer friend of mine met Peter Erskine and claims he said that he hated playing "Reelin'" in 1993 so much that he had some other song in the same tempo piped into his headphones while playing it . Highly questionable, but that's what he says. Wonder if that's why he wasn't invited back.

As for unreleased and rarities, they've got the following charts:
Our Lawn
Fall of '92 (rather dated, and a demo version of it was finally released)
True Companion
Wet Side Story
Cash Only Island
Western World (and anything else Donald did on his solo tour that SD hasn't done yet)

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:19:45 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

1. Ray needs a hug.

2. Anyone who feels seriously left out of the "special shows" should realize that in this brave new technological age EACH AND EVERY SONG from each and every "special show" will, shortly after the show's conclusion, be available from the usual sources in the usual places. For example, last tour, lil' old me, with no particular technological expertise, trade goods, credit card #, etc., was able to enjoy Walter belting out "Gaucho" the morning after the song first appeared in the setlist.

3. Just saying. Deep breath guys. See you in NYC.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:14:51 ET
Posted by: Mobile Home lyrics,

I'm very excited at the prospect of finally deciphering the actual lyrics to Mobile Home and Wetside Story. Although knowing the boys, they'll probably change the lyrics.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 12:08:01 ET
Posted by: Let's not forget,

"This All Too Mobile Home"

Great closer, already road tested. Ok, well 30 years ago.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 11:43:01 ET
Posted by: beach, bum

just because one show says "dawn of the dan" first 3 albums does not mean they are going to play kings, pearl or charlie freak.

they will play do it again, reelin, bodhidattva, my old school ,pretzel, rikki. then play other greatest hits for the rest of the show

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 11:32:51 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Sorry Hoops... I looked back and you did mention Wetside Story.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 09:10:54 ET
Posted by: H, ...again

Wow. Scroll down to Jim Beard's bio. Those are some heavy credentials right there!

http://www.steelydan.com/2kband.html

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 07:51:48 ET
Posted by: H,

Sorry... meant to say 2nd Arrangement was written in the late seventies.

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 07:49:43 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Looks to me like the Special Setlists are already announced for some shows other than the Beacon. I'm sure more will be added in time. Since NY is their home base and the only city where they do that many shows in a row it makes sense to offer up one of the special sets each night.
Of course the Rarities thing has me intrigued. I have a pretty strong feeling they will play 2nd Arrangement... it is after all the rarest of the rare. A couple of other songs that no one has mentioned are Cash Only Island and Wetside Story. I was fortunate enough to hear both of these at the Va. Beach show in '96. Obviously they were slated to be on 2vN but didn't make the cut.

On the subect of 2nd Arrangement... here's something that crossed my mind last night. Snowbound was written by Don and Walt in the early eighties and it showed up on Donald's solo album in '93. Second Arrangement was written by Don and Walt in the late eighties. Wouldn't it be something if it showed up on DF's upcoming solo album?

Date: Tues, May 10, 2011, 02:01:30 ET
Posted by: downers stay home, just keep spinning, Ray

I will make as many shows as I can. I just hope I run into Ray at one of them so I can bathe in the warm glow of our shared appreciation and camaraderie .... NOT.

I guess some people just can't take "yes" for an answer.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 23:04:42 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Well, I don't think I'll be able to make it to New York, so I'm guess I'm stuck with one of their "standard chum bucket shows." Man, it really sucks to be a Steely Dan fan this summer.

(in case this post gets misinterpreted, I'm being sarcastic).

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:48:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I have to agree with Danfiend on this one. One might expect that, on the very day the boys announce the kind of sets many here have been begging for, their would be joy and celebration on a Dan fan board.

But apparently anything other than pissing and moaning about this event is "tiresome". I think someone needs a hug...or a drink.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:29:04 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Lurker Ray

While your concern for people who won't be able to make it to NYC is admirable, your approach is all wrong. Today is a day of celebration and you're holding a milk pitcher filled with piss for everyone's Corn Flakes. We're all big boys and girls here. For those who will miss NYC, although it will suck, they will survive. If you don't see how your attitude is not making anything better, YOU'VE lost touch!

I just hope there will be a concert CD or DVD so that we all will get to experience it at some point.

DanFiend

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 22:05:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Danfiend & Deano,

If you two actually think that ANY Steely Dan Show advertised as any
of the nights below....

"Aja", "Gaucho", or "The Royal Scam" � Plus: Setlist is one of three classic Steely Dan albums in its entirety � Aja, Gaucho, or The Royal Scam � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

By Popular Demand: Fans have always found a way to let Fagen and Becker know what they want to hear. This setlist represents oft-requested songs of recent years.

Dawn of The Dan: Featuring songs from Steely Dan's groundbreaking first albums of the '70s � Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, and Pretzel Logic � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

21st Century Dan: Featuring songs from 2003's Everything Must Go and 2000's Grammy Album Of The Year Two Against Nature � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

Rarities: The unreleased, the mythic, the reborn, the rarely-if-ever-heard; On this numinous Night of Nights, all will be revealed (along with additional selected favorites and hits)

....wouldn't have sold like hotcakes in cities like LA, Chicago, Toronto, Seattle, Atlanta (They also have two nights booked by the way)or any larger market on the current tour - you have both lost touch.

Sorry that do to your financial difficulties that you won't be able to attend Dean, but your milk toast, patronizing, "just happy to live vicariously through others" dribble has become quite tiresome this evening.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:55:31 ET
Posted by: Jim Steele, wowowowowow

Wow, reading this recent update just made my eyes roll to the back of my head. Steely Dan's website mentioning such words, phrases and concepts as 'rarities' and 'songs from Can't Buy a Thrill' and 'playing both if the formers' in a non-sardonic/sarcastic context?

Color me freaking amazed with shades of ecstatic shock. That's it, I'm gonna go all out and list everything I wanna hear from each of these awesome categories (minus the Aja, Scam and Gaucho nights of course!) Apologies if none of you like the gushing of an indulgent fan! :P

Popular Demand
1. 2nd Arrangement
2. Gold Teeth II
3. King of the World
4. Throw Back the Little Ones
5. Charlie Freak

Rarities
1. A Pre Dan/Walk it Like You Talk It/First SD Single song- Yeah and I know I'm certifiably insane! :P

2. Kulee Baba- What an understated masterpiece. "Kuuuuuuuleee baba, coming your way every sunday!"

3. The Bear- Must include that 'evil merry-go-round' intro!

4. Can't Write Home About You- A tender, succulent melody that went to waste sadly.

5. Anything of extreme rarity status such as Shanghai Breakdown, Heartbreak Souvenir, Gullywater, Megashine City, Shuffling Up Your Downs etc etc etc

Dawn of the Dan
1. Turn that Heartbeat Over Again- Simply my personal favorite from the Dan's mighty arsenal. "Love your mother, Love Your brother, Love 'em til they run for cover!" Amen.

2. Razor Boy- The vibes, man! It's all in the Vibes!

3. Change of the Guard- The quintessential concert closer for the Dan of the olden days, now updated for the encore of 2011.

4. Your Gold Teeth- The under-appreciated first GT song. Those Santanaesque leads rock!

5. Kings- I always found this one to be fit the The Royal Scam aesthetic anyway. Plus, it already featured a back up singer arrangement so the Embassy Brats are good to go!

21st Century Dan
1. Jack of Speed- The ultimate chill out song.
2. Negative Girl- Hearing this puppy live is a novelty in itself.
3. Slang of Ages- Becker's vox at their best.
4. Almost Gothic- Best Steely Dan crooner ever.
5. Lunch with Gina- Another moody cruiser.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:18:13 ET
Posted by: DRHey19, Chicago, IL

I mentioned to those on the Green Room Chat earlier tonight that Boz Scaggs stated in an interview that there is a possibility for more Dukes of September shows in the future with a recording for PBS. Here's the link: http://www.bozscaggs.org/bozinterview2011.htm This may have already been posted here closer to when it was released back in February. I wonder if the possibility is still there, being that SD plans on touring through the summer and into the fall. Boz and Michael McDonald are on the road together again this year.
Thanks,
DRHey19

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:16:21 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/26520/Sat-Eye-Candy-Steely-Dan

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 20:48:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Actually, I think the poor economy works against them doing one of these, let's face it...esoteric setlist shows, in anywhere other than a big market where the fan base can support multiple shows. How many of those attending a concert really want to hear unreleased material? "I paid $100 to see Steely Dan and they played a bunch of stuff I never heard before" is the likely response.

The Beacon is like a home base for them, and a place they are relatively sure they can sell out on multiple nights, with just about any setlist. That simply may not be the case in most markets/venues.

Their traditional setlist (which includes many of their hits as well as some deeper cuts) has proven to be successful for many years. (It's interesting to not as much as we complain about the lack of deep cuts in those sets, many fans and some critics complain they leave out hits in favor of lesser known tunes.) Also, the full album format proved to be pretty successful last year, so one would expect them to continue with that, when possible (two shows or more at one venue). Aja makes the most sense for the average fan, if only one album can be played.

With that said, I would expect you may hear one or two of these long awaited nuggets at any given show. And as has already been noted, if these long-awaited shows prove to be successful, they may extend the tour and repeat these shows elsewhere. More likely, IMO, if successful they may incorporate these tunes (and possibly setlists) next tour.

For now, I view these shows as something extraordinarily special. I also find criticizing them, because they aren't in your town, or because you won't be able to make it, rather petty. I almost certainly won't be able to attend the Beacon shows (mostly due to a cash issue) but I look forward to hearing from those who do attend. And hope the shows are documented and maybe even repeated in the future.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 20:03:24 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, @Lurker Ray

This is something they've never tried before. I look at these specialty nights as market research. If fan reaction and ticket sales are favorable I'm sure they'll expand the themes to other markets later.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:53:14 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

It just seems like a big slap in
the face to me Young Wu.

If they were ONLY doing shows
in NYC this year then it would
make sense. But after everyone
else in the country buys their
tickets to the standard chum bucket
show, they announce this just seems
very unfair.

I mean really, take the momentous
tour of 2009. You could see all
of the same "special nights" in all
of the major markets, NYC, LA,
Chicago & Boston. Or take the two
historic back-to-back nights at
Roseland in 2003. They did the
EXACT same two nights in LA.

We have come to expect fair choices.
We know that NYC is going to get MORE shows,
that is a given. But to only do the "super
special nights" in NYC?!?! Did only
NYC buy CDs & tickets all these years?
This just reeks of elitism and is not on the
same fair playing field Steely Dan fans
have come to expect from Walter & Donald.
Not to mention, I'm sorry, but the
Beacon is a turd.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:48:30 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, NJ

Rarities night????? Dawn of the Dan night????? Sail the waterways maybe????? Dallas maybe???? Just drooling a little ,,sorry

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:43:08 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi 'til September

I know one thing for sure: Upon hearing either the opening guitar riff of "Second Arrangement" or the pedal point in the intro of "Kulee Baba" there will be a pandemonium that makes our reaction to the debut of "Everything Must Go" in Roseland '03 look like a group hiccup. I know I'm gonna lose it if I ever had it to begin with.

I haven't been this excited SINCE Roseland '03. That's saying something. I hope the next four months go by quickly and those 10 days in NYC go by slowly.

Four months . . . It's Countdown To Ecstasy y'all!!

DanFiend for Life

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:10:27 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Lurker Ray, I do have to agree with you... why only NYC? That does annoy me. They gotta shake up the setlist for the rest of the country.

I mean, everyone is going nuts because New York is getting rare stuff, early stuff, unreleased stuff, and 21st Dan... but are the rest of us really gonna get Peg/Josie/Aja again? I really don't think I can handle that.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 19:08:57 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Anon Debbie Downer,

Sorry to sh*t in your corn flakes.

I am excited, but like a lot of
hurting families and people in
this country who unlike me, can't
go to NYC, this is sad news and
just feeds into the have/have-not
mentality that is so prevalent
in our country right now.

Even Paul Simon is doing "special"
club dates all across the country.
Not just in NYC. And Prince
is selling great seats for $25.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:45:06 ET
Posted by: downers go home, the pits, now

Well what do you know, Lurker Ray has found a cloud for every silver lining. What a shocker.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:34:33 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Hoops,

Donald has sung "Any World" live before. Milwaukee 2006.

Well there goes the tax return. But Hoops raises a new quagmire - will they just do these "special" shows in NYC or will they come to selected larger markets like LA in late Oct - Nov and give these markets a taste? Or are they going overseas in Nov?

I can't chance it. I'm going to pull the trigger and go for "Dawn Of The Dan", "Gaucho"(which was my favorite night in 2009)and "Rarities" in NYC. Fly in on the 14th & out on the 18th. There is no way I can come to NYC two weekends in a row. I'm am pissed that means I will miss "21st Century Dan" unless they bring it to LA in Nov.

Speaking of pissed, either way this news is going to piss off a lot of hardcore fans who can't come to New York and who are going to get the standard chum bucket shows this summer. Either way, I see it as a win for those of us who can go and a big slap in the face to those who can't. I mean really, they have already done "Aja" nights ad nauseam. Why not give these markets like LA & Chicago/Milwaukee a better second special night this summer?

It also looks like they have eliminated the fan "Internet Voting" they promised. Which was a total sham in 2009 anyways. I have a sneaky feeling that "By Popular Demand" is going to be another scam. But we will see. I'll try and stay positive.

Like I said, great, amazing news for us "haves" and sad depressing news for the "have-nots". I mean really guys, why the slap in the face to the rest of the country? Why not rotate "special" shows every night this summer?! Even the "light" fan in middle America will still hear their hits. Right now, it just seems very elitist, especially in this TERRIBLE economy, to only do these shows in NYC.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:04:19 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa, FL

Wow !!! We might finally here a revved up
2011 version of "The Second Arrangement" after all.
I personally think that would be human catnip
to the Steely Dan audience.
Other than knowing when/if they're coming to
Tampa...I'll throw in my two cents by wanting to hear...
Dr. Wu
Here at the Western World
Rose Darlin'
Rikki
Gaucho
Songs I hope they take a pass on would
include: Aja, Hey Nineteen, Chain Lightning, just because
I've seen them at some of the previous shows and
they no longer do it for me honestly. But its
not all about me. From the newer stuff, I'd
love to hear Blues Beach, Almost Gothic, Security
Joan or Everything Must Go....

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 16:16:28 ET
Posted by: Stan,

They have played Almost Gothic once. In 2000. In New Mexico.

Would be awesome live.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:40:30 ET
Posted by: angel, LA

OK, I am now TOTALLY excited for this tour!

WOOT!

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:12:38 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Not sure I would be able to get through either of the following songs at the Beacon without fainting/starting crying/whatever.

- Almost Gothic
- The Second Arrangement
- Trans-Island Skyway
- The Great Pagoda Of Funn
- Brooklyn
- The Second Arrangement

These are not songs I enjoy. These are songs that defined me.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:06:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

peteb:

That's sort of what I'm wondering for any shows they might do in October or November. Maybe they will take what seems to work or be received by the fans and then add them to subsequent set lists. And whatever doesn't work, they can go back to the disclaimer that it was "Dawn of the Dan" night or something like that.

"Dawn of the Dan" could even rehash a Jay and The Americans tune or maybe have the girls do "I Mean To Shine."

Energizing stuff!

Jim

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:03:43 ET
Posted by: peteb, UK

I am full of wonder at these developments. It occurs to me that in order to play the special nights in September, the band will have to learn several hours of material...ok many of them were involved in the recordings of the "21st Century Dan" but the Dawn of the Dan and at least a chunk of the Rarities shows are going to involve stuff that they've not done in this format before. Whichever way you look at this, that band are looking at learning new arrangements and rehearsing a lot of material. By the end of it, they will basically be able to play just about everything in the catalogue. Does it make sense to play this rare stuff just on that one night? Anyone have any insights?

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 13:13:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, after a little sleep & morning phone calls

Bin Laden's been caught. And now Steely Dan wants to do a rarities night. This all reminds me of Donald's comments on the NY Rock and Soul Revue "Live at the Beacon" CD when he says, "the war's almost over..."

Filled with fever dreams, thankfully, another huge fan couldn't sleep as well, took my call and we talked it out 'til daylight. THANKS! I think we run a support group here, don't we.

Dean, I have no inside info whatsoever. I didn't know about the 21st Century Dan--it's surprising, but not shockingly so. For that night, I will wager that we've heard those tunes before--playing "What A Shame" live for the first time since--what?--"The Walking Tour?"--would be tres cool.

But the rarities and "Dawn of the Dan" night took me entirely by surprise. My instincts have me leaning towards them playing yet-to-be-released tracks from solo stuff they are working on--or (gasp!) maybe for a future SD album?

Of course, my heart wants to hear unreleased '70s stuff. Maybe they will "reinvent" by playing "Were You Blind That Day" instead of "Third World Man." You never know, but maybe some lawyer has advised them to play such nuggets live once every 21 or 35 years or whatever is required to re-enforce copyrights.

Or maybe they want to put out a DVD after all these years and they want something fresh to put at the registers at Starbucks. It's been eleven years since "Plush" and "Aja"-- and it's common for even die-hards to inadvertently forget "Alive In America" when they list their favorite Steely Dan albums.

After the likes of the Carole King/James Taylor CD/DVD, The Beacon would be a great venue (promotionally) for a live DVD, although, let's face it, the most devoted would love a Roseland DVD. "They" could even get said DVD out in time to load the gift racks at Starbucks, the end caps at Best Buy, and the iTunes store in time for Christmas gift giving.

Anyways, my heart's desire is that they play "2nd Arrangement," "Kulee," "You Got The Bear," etc. Of course, by the time I finally heard "Dr. Wu" live a couple of years ago, I was disappointed it was only a 6 on a scale of 1 to 5 instead of a 9 out of 5.

Now we are not like 99% of those who attend Steely Dan shows so we are an esoteric bunch wanting an esoteric set. But I think some tracks like "2nd" and "Bear" have instantaneously infectious grooves that could even hold the beer-laden bladders of the "I-Wanna-Hear-Rikki-and-Peg" crowd. Compare that to when they played "My Rival" in Chicago in 2009--who could forget the communal potty run resulting in the constant interruption of casual fans returning to their seats during the climax of "Third World Man" and the "Gaucho" album?

As Donald once put it to Marian McPartland, my senses have been sculpted. Mostly for the better--that's why like so many of us, we grok Steely lyrics. But then to a lesser degree our senses have been sculpted for the worse. Long-time fans have also have developed a certain form of skepticism that also somehow captures the spirit of Steely Dan. How about the many times I would eagerly await the release of "Kamakiriad" only to have the date rolled back weeks or months just days before it was expected? Or how about when we first heard of a Steely Dan box circa 1993 and then ended up with the only new material in the form of a demo of "Everyone's Gone To The Movies." (PLEASE NOTE: The box was GREAT for other reasons--namely as a way of making up for the whole mix-up in CD masters by MCA. And don't forget the fine booklet, too.) Or how about being teased with Donald ending most shows in 1996, 2000 and 2003 with "SeeYahNextYearrhhrr!" Of course, who knew he meant a year on a different planet as opposed to an earth year?

So right now, it's really a tough call in my mind as to what they have planned by "unreleased." The word "unreleased" also could apply to any show in 1993, 1994 and 1996, for that matter, where they played "Book of Liars," "Fall of '92," "Our Lawn," "Jack of Speed" (Walter's arguably better version), "Wet Side Story," etc. Obviously, only they--and their hairdressers--know for sure what they have planned.

And still, I'm wondering: What do they have planned for October and November? I think there will be shows then--but where and what sort of content will they have?

As for "Katy Lied" being played live, that's really been in my mind. Based on the official SD newsletetr, t now sounds like it won't happen this tour. On a long shot, maybe they will inadvertently play most of the album some night, somewhere, unexpectedly.

Many of the most devoted SD fans have "Katy Lied" listed as their favorite, despite the memories of recording horrors it conjures up for our heroes. I think it's because that album was somehow a tipping point to Donald and Walter more fully realizing jazz influences in their albums. IMHO, "Katy" and "Royal Scam" had to happen first before "Aja."

Anyhoo. In the past few days, I was just writing a justification as to how it would be perfect for the Steely Dan Orchestra to reinterpret and perform that one in its entirety. My explanation has at least half the album performed by someone other than Donald on vocals--mainly because for whatever reason, he seems to want to share vocals. Obviously they have already done "Black Friday;" "Bad Sneakers;" "Daddy..." (with Walter on vox); "Dr. Wu" (although not many times); "Everyone..." (again, with Walter on vox); "Chain Lightning" (I like the version in 2006 at Scranton with the girls on a lot of vocals); and "Any World" (with Jeff Young, but it needed more work, IMHO).

So here's my ideas for "Katy."

Have Jon Herington do lead vocals on "Rose Darlin'" Donald may want to step back from by track three and the jangly guitars of the studio version and vocal character suit Jon. I'm basing this on his performance on the 2006 Donald Fagen Band version of "Here At The Western World" and especially his great, recent performance at The Bitter End which I experienced on webcast.

Some of you will say that "Any World..." could be a guest spot by Mike McDonald, but that won't happen--look, they didn't even have Mike McD do backing on"Peg" in 2006, as I recall. But I could see the girls doing that one, trading verses. I love the girls on "Dirty Work" and "Parker's Band" but they need something fresh. This could be something new for them. The girls do a fine job on "Dirty Work," but for me it's tinged with some misogyny, even though they are just basically character acting when they sing. I like the thought of them doing something a little more lyrically introspective and liberating than "Dirty Work." "Any World" kinda fits that in my book.

And that leaves what I consider one of the most delightfully strange SD tracks, "Throw The Little Ones." When Joe Roccasano covered it, it made me realize what an amazingly versatile composition it is. It has lots of room for interpretation and re-arrangement. Make "Throw Back..." an affair for the whole band as a sort of revue finale! Maybe Michael Leonhard does a verse, one of the ladies does a verse, maybe Walter on another couplet, Donald there on some key verse to underscore some line. Think along the lines of "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again." Every one joins in to sing the chorus, inciting the crowd to join in. What a rousing end to the live performance of a great Steely Dan album that has always been a bit under the radar!

Well, when I start suggesting hypothetical arrangements to masters Becker and Fagen, I know that I'm too full of myself and should stop.

That said, I hope they make my wildest drams come true and play my heart's desire. And I think my heart's desire is the desire of many of us here.

Fly low and be cool,

Jim

P.S. Can anyone recommend a good ABRIDGED or CONDENSED version of "The Chicago Manual of Style?"

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:42:51 ET
Posted by: peteb,

>Chris, nh

>If I hear Kulee Baba live, I might just kill myself so I can die happy

....amen to that. Well it promises to be a week at the Beacon that many of us have been hanging out for for a very long time. So, those shows need to sell out and then some - thus sending the message back to the band that could just get us out of this greatest hits treadmill.

Now where's that damn Mastercard....

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:33:32 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Youg Wu for you: (go Bills)
in no particular order
1-throw back the little ones
2-nightfly
3-razor boy
4-everything you did
5-boston rag

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:57:35 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi for now

Why is Katy Lied is the odd man out here? That's one of my favorite SD albums. They HAVE to find a way to work it in too! C'mon D&W!!

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:46:02 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Hitchhiking to NYC...

"Dawn of The Dan"??!!
"Rarities"??!!
"21st Century Dan"??!!

Holy shit!
They better bring some of this magic to Canandaigua... otherwise I'm gonna be in a major depression this summer.

Also, I like seeing Doctor Wu, King of the World, and Your Gold Teeth II in many of the Top 5 lists... hopefully we get at least one of them this tour.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:25:04 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, wetting my pants

Must....go....to....all....Beacon....shows.....

Dr. Wu (yep, again!)
Kings
King Of The World
Night By Night (what, 10 years already?)
Throw Back The Little Ones
----------------- --------------- --------------


(FYI-Paul Simon will be the musical guest on SNL this coming Saturday, May 14th @ 11:30pm est NBC tv.)

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:25:04 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

FINALLY we know what's gonna happen in NYC for Shuffle Diplomacy and it looks like I'm gonna spend a little more time in NYC than I originally planned. There is now 7 dates at the Beacon:

Sep 14 "Dawn of The Dan"
Sep 16 "Gaucho" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 17 "Rarities"
Sept 19 "Aja" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 20 "The Royal Scam" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 22 "By Popular Demand"
Sep 23 "21st Century Dan"

Yours truly will be at all 7. Presales start on May 15th and go on sale to the general public on May 20th. It's time to plan people!!

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 10:16:32 ET
Posted by: Ports, Minneapolis

I'm sure this topic may have come up in past years, but it would be great (especially this year) if the boys released a box set of the Beacon shows. Just get it all out on a live cd/dvd.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 09:46:27 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Dean, that was my read of it too. Of course, that's what I want to hear. Will definitely have to make the trek out to NYC for that one, regardless.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 08:48:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

What a wonderful surprise this is. I only wish they would do these other setlists in some of the other venue3s.

As for the rarities, my guess (based purely on the wording) is that it will include both new yet-to-be released stuff and old unreleased stuff.

Let's be clear, I'm not second guessing Jim if he has the inside word. But it sounds like he's simply speculating based on the description. To me the description seems to indicate some older (mythical, rarely heard) tunes will be included.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:17:45 ET
Posted by: Bob,

I think Hoopster nailed it. The unreleased tracks will be from forthcoming solo albums and not Kulee or 2nd Arrangement. Otherwise they'd be more up front about it.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:13:51 ET
Posted by: Bob,

I think Hoopster nailed it. The unreleased tracks will be from forthcoming solo albums and not Kulee or 2nd Arrangement.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 07:04:17 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

If I hear Kulee Baba live, I might just kill myself so I can die happy.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 06:39:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, still awake

Now that I'm getting a grip on it, maybe "the un-released" means tracks from those upcoming DF and WB solo albums mentioned in Billboard last Fall. Well, maybe we won't hear the likes of "Kulee Baba" and "Second Arrangement."

Here's the text from http://www.steelydan.com/tour11sspop.html

=====


"Aja", "Gaucho", or "The Royal Scam" � Plus: Setlist is one of three classic Steely Dan albums in its entirety � Aja, Gaucho, or The Royal Scam � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

By Popular Demand: Fans have always found a way to let Fagen and Becker know what they want to hear. This setlist represents oft-requested songs of recent years.

Dawn of The Dan: Featuring songs from Steely Dan's groundbreaking first albums of the '70s � Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown to Ecstasy, and Pretzel Logic � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

21st Century Dan: Featuring songs from 2003's Everything Must Go and 2000's Grammy Album Of The Year Two Against Nature � plus additional selected favorites and hits.

Rarities: The unreleased, the mythic, the reborn, the rarely-if-ever-heard; On this numinous Night of Nights, all will be revealed (along with additional selected favorites and hits)

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:22:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, Re: Latest Steely Dan Newsletter?

Well they won't extend the tour at the Beacon into Sept 24--Celtic Thunder is booked.

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:19:34 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, Re: Latest Steely Dan Newsletter?

Now I'll NEVER get to sleep! :-)

Could September 17 BE THE DAY that they perform The Second Arrangement? Kulee Babba? Here At The Western World (1976 version, not the 2006 DFB version)?

I'm already doublebooked on 9./17....yeowwwww!

Do I finish my item, "MaKing the Kase for Katy Lied?" (Have Jon do the vox on Rose Darling and the girls on Chain Lightning, Gold Teeth II & Throw Back The Little Ones?

Should I sell my car to attend the 17th? Hmmmm....

I think this calls for a chat night this week.

How about tonight at 8 PM ET/7 PM CT? Be there!

In the mean time, I'll have a hard time sleeping...

Best,

Jim

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 05:17:57 ET
Posted by: Sparkle of your China, DungPow

Just seen the set lists for the multi night shows.
You can too....
http://www.steelydan.com/tour11sspop.html

Those last 2 nights at the Beacon could live..... in infamy.
SOYC

Date: Mon, May 09, 2011, 04:55:04 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

This is no one night stand, it's a real occasion:

Sep 14, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Dawn of The Dan"
Sep 16, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Gaucho" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 17, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Rarities"
Sep 19, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "Aja" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 20, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "The Royal Scam" Plus Selected Hits
Sep 22, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "By Popular Demand"
Sep 23, New York, NY Beacon Theatre | "21st Century Dan"

Lord, thank you for answering our prayers.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 21:19:24 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, on the deck

1 Dr Wu
2 Rose Darling
3 Your Gold Teeth 2
4 Rikki
5 Chain Lightning

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 20:11:40 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, "Chicago," "On location," "Ooo-La-La!", "How's my little girl?", etc.

Speaking of Paul Simon, I'm insanely jealous of all of you who get to see him this tour. I've never seen him, and almost had a chance to go to the Toronto show a couple days ago, but it ended up being impossible.

Too bad, because I checked out the setlist and it's fantastic. So many classics (I've never seen the dude before, so I would need some of those solo greatest hits), plus some great deep cuts. His new album is fantastic, so it's like a perfect tour.

Oh well, if I had to chose between Paul Simon for the first time and Steely Dan for the 5th time, I'd have to go with the obvious choice...

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 19:50:16 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

Don,

I had a Paul Simon 2011 SoCal Trifecta! -
2 shows at The Pantages LA &
1 show at Pechanga, Temecula (Where SD have played)
Amazing shows. Especially at the
tiny Pechanga Theatre. Highly
recommended - Especially the upcoming
DC show in the tiny 9:30 Club!

But "Gone At Last" along with a
video has been in the setlist
before "Large Marge", our lovely
Miss Phoebe actually passed. As far
back as the April 17th tiny club
date in Seattle at the Showbox.

Happy Mother's Day Miss Phoebe & Valerie

"The mother and child reunion is only a motion away...."

And you were so right in the Dandom
Newsletter today hoops, Phoebe stole
the show at Woodstock and the experience
that night driving in the blowing & drifting
snow was surpassed by the "bizzard" that
Miss Snow blew in.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 18:35:49 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

1: Dr Wu
2: King of the World
3: YGT(II)
4: Almost Gothic
5: Rose Darling (that would just sooo work live!!)


just imagine them in order 3, 2, 4, 5, 1...oh wowsie!

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:44:12 ET
Posted by: Don Breithaupt, Toronto

Saw Paul Simon and his killer 8-pc band at Massey Hall in Toronto Friday night. Fantastic show; highly recommend catching him on this tour if you can. Simon recently added "Gone at Last" to his set in tribute to the Phoebe Snow (he and Snow duetted on the tune on the Still Crazy After All These Years album in '75). Donald Fagen opines about Simon's background in the new Rolling Stone.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:43:44 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu

I've often wondered at many Steely Dan shows,

"Why Don't You Dance?"
-Raymond Carver, "Where I'm Calling From" 1988

http://www.everythingmustgo-themovie.com/

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/49531/everything-must-go/

"In ''Why Don't You Dance?'' a man whose marriage has collapsed puts his furniture up for sale in the front yard, where he has arranged it as it was inside his house, running out an extension cord so that the television and the record player work. A young couple come along and try out the furniture, stay for drinks and then, at the man's suggestion, dance together in the driveway. The intimacy of marriage is voided, exposed, re-enacted and distanced, all at once. The moment may be said to suggest memory, art, the astonishing bond of intimacy among a world of strangers, the ghostliness of one's attachment to any place or relationship."

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 16:31:15 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

"Here at the Western World" is a beautiful, very melancholy tune. Played once? twice? last tour, if memory servesm and then inexplicably dropped from the setlist. The sound I heard out on the intardnets was very close to the studio version, DF's vocals much huskier, lost, & sad. A real highlight.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:30:46 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, hoping and praying

...and furthermore:

Here in the Western World
Janie Runaway
The Things I Miss the Most
Lunch With Gina
Everything Must Go


Sorry, just couldn't help myself -

Desperate in Europe

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:24:00 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

1. Pretzel Logic
2. Chain Lightning
3. What a Shame About Me
4. Any track from Circus Money or Eleven Tracks, sung by WB
5. The Second Arrangement

Overture request: Sonny Rollins, "St. Thomas"

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:22:21 ET
Posted by: Prague Polo, Deep in the heart of Europe

Dear Wonder Twins,

PLEASE come to Europe in Autumn '11 or Spring 2012 and include the following "Top Five"in the set list:

Fire in the Hole
Any Major Dude
Your Gold Teeth II
Throw Back the Little Ones
Gaucho

Until then my SHM-SACD's and Audiophile masters will hold me over...

Watching and Waiting,

Prague Polo

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:42:54 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, One moment of your time...

Just to clarify my post real quick... when I only commented on Pretzel Logic not being played nearly enough, I was alluding to the fact that it's a semi-regular song in the sets... but it only appears half a dozen times or so a tour. So out of the "regulars" they play, it's not a permanent - as I believe it should be.

...I just reread at my post and thought it was odd that the one song out of the five that I said doesn't get played enough is actually the one that gets played more than the other four combined. Thank you for your time.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:42:37 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey Dean/ Your right my Steely Bro' I should not bring the looks into it but they put it out there cause its all they really have to offer. So to Brittany/ Christina and Lady Got me please come to Ohio and dress casual ( nothing) and we will invite Dean to my house and he and I will explain the merits of Steely Dan to you. Just kidding my Steely Bro!

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 14:21:57 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Klaus,

I'm not sure how you managed to sit through 30 minutes of Gaga.

The only thing in your post I disagree with is: she really is very far from "hot". She is actually pretty much of a dog, at least IMO.

And, like Madonna before her, her major talent seems to be in the marketing area. It seems the music itself if far down the list of what is important to most of these artists. At least Christina Aguilera can sing. If she wasn't so obsessed with the image/marketing aspects of becoming (and being) a star, she might be tolerable.

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:58:07 ET
Posted by: Another , Scurvy Brother

These five would get me in the Mountain Winery despite any lackluster sound--and I don't think I'd notice if there was / wasn't a backdrop...

1. Your Gold Teeth
2. Your Gold Teeth II (I'd even settle for the instrumental, pre-Katy Lied version that they played on early tours.)
3. This All Too Mobile Home
4. Fire in the Hole
and, why not 5. The Second Arrangement

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:53:51 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Right on Young Wu/ Dr wu/ Pretzel logic/ The Royal Scam/ Reelin[ w/ the horns] the wet side story

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:41:13 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

So with the tour about 2 months off, and with all the hope of a nice fresh setlist (crazy, I know), I thought it might be interesting to ask the fine Dan Fans to name the 5 songs that they would most like to see in the setlist.

My top 5:
1. Doctor Wu
2. Change of the Guard
3. King of the World
4. Your Gold Teeth II
5. Pretzel Logic - doesn't get played nearly enough, IMO

So, Dandom... what say you?

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 13:31:17 ET
Posted by: Klaus and the rooster, Ohio

Hey My Steely friends/ Woke up early this morn and flipped on the telly and watched in horror about 30 minutes of Lady GaGa live in concert. Is this the state of music these days? Is there really people out there who think this is talent? She is a freak show and nothing about it is about the music. Hey look at me I am young and hot and can afford to put on a trainwreck called monsters ball!!I feel sorry for her Piano teacher who must be sick. Please Don and Walt hurry to the Zoo and restore my faith in the arts. And a royal kick in the ass to the real musicians on stage w/ her if your hungry you can always get a reg job cleaning up after people or mowing Golf courses. Anything is more honorable than backing up that no talent piece of shit. Wow Ifeel better now

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 12:36:36 ET
Posted by: A glass of whine, ...

Dagnabbit! This forum.Internet-thingimagingy is gettin' complicated! :)

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 08:00:56 ET
Posted by: hoops, as always, in chicago, on the quick....AND HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY!

Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.

How do you know that there is only one poster named Lewis?

There are three people who post as "Jim." Sometimes I'm one of them.

How do you know I don't post as Lewis?

Whether accurate and insider or not, I am pretty certain that such people prefer to remain anon. When you (Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.) probe so much, you pretty much assume they will go away. Aggressive doubting also has a similar effect.

Notice I never pick at or ask or wonder or doubt -- I leave it alone.

Right now, the only people I want to probe are those who posted as Dean, "Hunch", "Not So Fast," etc.

I guess that's hard for some to do.

So please -- drop it. Not even a response.

Best wishes,

Jim

Date: Sun, May 08, 2011, 01:34:04 ET
Posted by: Just a hunch....,

Why not check the cryptic email address that Lewis posted? Looks like he's the real "Lewis" to me. And no one ever said that Lewis was
not a little snarky and likes to cut to the chase.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 20:04:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Why would one assume this Lewis is the Lewis who has posted some good info in the past? This board has no registration and/or sign in. Our handles are not protected. Some of us have had trolls use our names in the past.

With that said, why would the legit Lewis post something as over the top as "that whinery show is gonna stink beyond belief" instead of something that reflected knowledge and intelligence? Furthermore, why would the absence of a background of any kind turn a SD show into something that "stink(s) beyond belief"?

I have attended Dan concerts with little or no background enhancement and I assure you, they were quite fantastic.

And if the sound has dramatically changed at the Winery, why not simply mention that, instead of making such a troll-like comment?

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 16:13:15 ET
Posted by: Not So Fast Dean......,

Lewis is not a troll. A lot of great & accurate Steely Dan live & Mclaren Productions info has come from him over the years.

If Lewis says that the The Mountain Winery show is a waste of money then I would differ to Lewis. He must have some insights to the venue, the seating and the poor quality of the sound there.

Perhaps also maybe Lewis is letting us know that a fabulous new Mclaren electronic backdrop will be making it's debut this tour and because of limitations at the substandard Mountain Winery it cannot be used there.

Don't judge a book by it's pictures. Pictures of the rehabbed Beacon look nice, but we all know that the sound there still is suspect and has never matched the experience of Roseland.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 11:07:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Scurvy Brother,

I'm sure you know to ignore clueless trolls like Lewis, but I thought I'd chime in here and give you my 2 cents.

Mountain Winery is a fantastic place to see any concert, IMO. Now keep in mind I was there before the remodeling, but based on pictures I have seen it seems to have retained its intimate and picturesque setting. I saw Van Morrison there and the sound was pretty damn good.

There is only seating for about 1,700 people at Mountain Winery, so just about any seat is pretty good, including the bleachers I would think.

Here's a picture of the stage and most of the seats:

http://www.linandjirsablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mountain-winery-saratoga-wedding-photography.jpg

This photo shows the position of the bleachers (above the seats):

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/e3088729-3c34-4728-bbee-6e61bf5fa93a.jpg

There are more pictures here:

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM848Y_Paul_Masson_Mountain_Winery_Saratoga_CA

I think most performers would be inspired by playing in such a beautiful setting. Expect a terrific show.

Date: Sat, May 07, 2011, 05:21:21 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Istanbul

Save your money
That whinery show is gonna stink beyond belief.

Date: Fri, May 06, 2011, 17:14:47 ET
Posted by: Coastie, Sacramento

Regarding the Saratoga pre-sale:
1. You can do a Google search for citibank credit card number series. You'll get results that give you the first six digits. Those numbers are relatively generic, and will get you into the Ticketmaster pre-sale system, however, you'll need a citibank credit card to complete the purchase. So unless you have a citibank credit card, don't bother.

2. The easier alternative is to buy via the Live Nation app. If you have an iPhone or other app capable cell phone, then download the Live Nation app, then search for the Saratoga concert, and buy your tickets via your phone. It works just fine, and you can use any credit card you want.

Date: Thurs, May 05, 2011, 15:57:07 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

presale code saratoga:
first 6 numbers of your citicard account

Date: Thurs, May 05, 2011, 14:25:27 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, Salt Lake City

Does any one know the Presale code for the Saratoga, CA concert?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 17:48:43 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Malibu - HOT,HOT HOT! Out Early And At The Pool

"Mandota" is also an amazing instrumental
from the "Let's Get It On - Deluxe Edition".
May I also suggest the "What's Going On -
Deluxe Edition". More great unreleased
gems along with a complete unreleased concert.
Or wait until May 24 when the new "What's
Going On - 40th Anniversary 2 CD/LP Super
Deluxe Edition" comes out. It comes with
the famous "Detroit Mix" released on 180 gram
vinyl for the first time!


hoops -

I know I've asked this in the past, but
what about appointing some moderators
here on the Blue? They could help delete
that pesky spam everytime it hits and
you are away.

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 17:00:18 ET
Posted by: beach, bum

any thoughts on why this tour will be the same as 2009 ?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 16:39:02 ET
Posted by: Another Scurvy, Brother

Any thoughts on the bleachers at Mountain Winery?

Date: Wed, May 04, 2011, 08:59:15 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the tower

update at steelydan.com:

August 1 show added at nTelos Wireless Pavilion, Portsmouth, VA

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 22:33:44 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Thanks for that great info, Hoops. I have always been a big MG fan, but had no idea the Crusaders played on that album.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 20:10:45 ET
Posted by: h,

Song No. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5PJXDRsIDw

Cakes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnriZaEyP4

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 19:45:13 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick

About 7-8 years ago, a 2-CD, "Deluxe Edition" of Marvin Gaye's 1973 "Let's Get It On" album was released. What essentially became The Crusaders were session players on this album. Pay special attention to the bonus tracks near the end of CD 1. Especially consider "Song No. 3" and "Cakes" which are instrumentals pretty much performed by what would become The Crusaders. "Let's Get It On" is, of course, an amazing album, and the Deluxe Edition is like three amazing albums. Seek it out. Amazing so much stuff went without unofficial release for like 30 years, including the stuff with what became The Crusaders.

Knock on wood, I hope the spam stuff is fixed for a while--eventually it will come back. Thanks again, Dean, Doc and others.

Jim

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 13:56:26 ET
Posted by: Another, Scurvy Brother

On the topic of the Crusaders, has anyone seen them touring around with another Dan-affiliate, Steve Gadd? They did a pretty nice show at New York's Blue Note a few years back, and I seem to remember an ad for them playing Yoshi's in the Bay not too long ago.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 10:43:26 ET
Posted by: P, NYC

Fagenism

"Those Southern Knights"
The Crusaders w/Larry Carlton

A MUST HAVE!

http://www.amazon.com/Those-Southern-Knights-Crusaders/dp/B0000001O7

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 09:44:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Fagenism,

I'm with Gus. Free as the Wind is pretty damn good. Chain Reaction is another you might want to listen to.

Man, it's been a long time since I've heard those albums. I still listen to Larry Carlton(1978 GRP) fairly regularly.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 09:04:57 ET
Posted by: Gus Winterbottom, Torrance, CA

fagenism,

For the Crusaders I would recommend "Free As The Wind" from the mid-70s. I have not spun that one in a long time, but I believe it had one Larry Carlton composition on it.

Date: Tues, May 03, 2011, 08:07:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Could any of you fine men help out a fellow Steeler with a recommendation for an introductory Crusaders album? Preferably one featuring Larry Carlton. Any input much appreciated.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 20:01:05 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

My love for SD was determined while Similac was still on my breath. I've since, subconsciously, been searching for musicians to take that top spot in my eyes. I still long, in fact, to find a NEW artist with an incredible package--harmonic ingenuity, poetic lyricism, a paying homage to the past while inventing in the present, being ahead of their time, possessing a fierce intelligence, being unafraid to make social commentary, approaching the foibles of life with humor, irreverence, and a slight contempt, all from a non-linear viewpoint, and atop all of this, nothing less than virtuosic musicianship. Then I realize this is D&Ws formula. The best way for anyone to become great, is to create their own formula and execute it well. It's the best lesson for a student musician like myself to learn.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 17:10:35 ET
Posted by: Bill from Pgh, pgh

"I saw the fireworks, I believed that I was dreaming
till the neighbors came out screaming...

>For Riaz, the mystery of the explosion swiftly faded. "We rushed out of the house immediately," he says, echoing the words of several residents across Abbottabad who hastened out on to the streets out of panic. "When we came outside, I saw the helicopter on fire, there was smoke rising out of it."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2069069,00.html#ixzz1LEQN7Ane

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 16:59:31 ET
Posted by: Lester the NF, from the foot of Mt. Beldoni

Sending out Third World Man and Don't Take Me Alive (they didn't) for recent events.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 15:06:50 ET
Posted by: Danfiend, Chi

@Doc Mu

I was thinking that exact thing last earlier and had to listen to Security Joan today just to revel in the sweet sweet irony. Moments like these remind me why I am will always be a huge SD/DF/WB fan.

Dan/Don/Walt-Fiend

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 11:46:59 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

An ironically satisfying day, given the tone and themes within Everything Must Go and Morph the Cat, clouds of fear and dysfunction that were captured in their observational way by Donald and the Dan. More personal than in the 70s though. May Mona now sleep at night, wherever she is.


It is good to live at the end of History.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 10:24:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jaydee,

I'm relatively certain "The Donald" was originally used for Trump and then used ironically/humorously by some in reference to Fagen. As far as I know, Fagen never goes by "The Donald".

I admit some confusion with your question regarding "lose" and "loose". We spell the opposite of win as "lose" and something that isn't tight as "loose". Is that different than how you spell these words? If you see the opposite of win spelled as "loose" it probably is done tongue-in-cheek to represent the way some (perhaps The Donald for example) pronounce the word "lose". We have some pretty obnoxious accents here in the states...just as you do in England.

One way to combat the less-than-sincere "how are you?" is to answer, if full detail, exactly how you feel.

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 07:02:16 ET
Posted by: Lester, Mt. Belzoni

I know that when Rush Limbaugh started taking calls from listeners on his radio show, he said not to expect a reply if you wanted to start the call by asking "how are you?" The practice at least goes back to the mid 90's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP8TwjRMdS0

Date: Mon, May 02, 2011, 05:13:09 ET
Posted by: Jaydee, London

Befuddled and bemused Brit question - having just watched President Obama's classy (clever and funny) nailing of that wealthy fool Trump (where are Biggie and Tupac etc), I have to ask whether referring to someone as 'The Donald' has some significant origin unknown to us over the pond. Or is it just a coincidence that it's the only first name to which I have seen the definite article appended, in two very different instances?

While I'm at it - when (and why) did you guys start spelling 'lose' as 'loose'? And do US interviewees on radio always begin by asking the interviewer, 'how are you?', or 'how ya doin'?' ? Even Donald did it on the recent clip about Roger Nichols. I've nothing against such polite niceties, of course, but am often amused when UK radio interviewers have to (rather tetchily) respond to a US 'down the line' contributor with 'I'm fine thanks', before getting on with the matter in hand.

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Date: Sun, May 01, 2011, 06:14:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

BTW: Don Breithaupt finally did respond saying simply that Walter wasn't available, despite his attempts to contact him even via Donald.

Thanks Don and Best wishes,

Jim

(And the spam thing will get fixed later. Thanks again.)