Date: Tues, April 30, 2002, 06:51:25
Posted by: sharkdeville,

Fastest picker alive, Doctor WU :

http://www.wumanpipa.org/wumanpipa/us/html/home.html

Date: Tues, April 30, 2002, 00:07:07
Posted by: Dave,

I saw one of those electric abdominal tightening belts. Given that none of us guys won "Midriff of the Year" at the Dannys, maybe Don and Walty can offer electric Steely Dan Midriff Tighteners at the 2003 Tour concession stand. They could even offer a remote to spike the voltage and torture your mate as s/he wears hers/his.

Oh well. Seemed cute when I saw the commercial.

Thanks for the extra confirmation Big Fan.

Dave

Date: Mon, April 29, 2002, 15:49:49
Posted by: Big Fan, CT

In case you needed further confirmation, other than the officail site:
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_577754.html?menu=entertainment.latestheadlines

Steely Dan deny they're to tour this year

Walter Becker and Donald Fagen are recording new songs together.

But there is no news of any release for the new material.

And, contrary to rumours, Steely Dan will not be touring in 2002, according to the band's official website.

A statement from the site said of the new recordings: "We cannot yet confirm for you what will come of these sessions nor when said 'what' might be released."

There is also no release date for Elliot Schiener's remix of Fagen's 1982 solo effort The Nightfly.

Story filed: 12:43 Monday 29th April 2002

Date: Mon, April 29, 2002, 12:38:02
Posted by: Cosmic Wow,

Good to hear no new is good news from the Officials at the Official Steely Dan Newsletter.

My favorite is the "pick-an-email" contest since I have another chance at items I was outbid for on eBay! I never saw the Grammy award winner poster for TAN either. Maybe the posters got printed but when it came to put some muscle behind them (read: $$$$$$$) AOL-Slime-WarningYou didn't budge a piaster.

All my TWO piasters!

WoW

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Date: Sun, April 28, 2002, 23:16:12
Posted by: Sean, Quincy, MA

I was watching 60 Minutes tonight. They were interviewing all these Muslim-American teenage girls about how committing a suicide bombing for the right cause could mean an instant pass to heavenly paradise! Everything is taken care of there, like a trip to the Bahamas without any worries---AND YOU GET FRONT ROW SEATS TO THE NIGHTLY STEELY DAN CONCERT! OK. They didn't say the last part, but THAT would be heaven to me :-)

Sean

Date: Sun, April 28, 2002, 13:23:04
Posted by: Dave, again

Richard----I never knew that was Don Was real name. I wonder if he changed his name to distinguish himself from Don Fagen. Has Donald Fagen ever commented on the capabilities of Don Was?

Dave, again

Date: Sun, April 28, 2002, 13:20:18
Posted by: Dave,

Never heard this as Muzak version until this morning while in the store. They played a muzak version of "Monkey In Your Soul." Crazy synth line in place of vocals.

Dave

Date: Sun, April 28, 2002, 01:54:05
Posted by: Richard Zamorano, las vegas

I was listening to the cable music channels in the soft Jazz category yesterday and they were playing Hey Nineteen. On the screen they put up little messages or oddities. On this one they said that composer and producer Don Was from Was Not Was's real name is ............Donald Fagenson. Wow! Could the new one include a remake of Everyone Walk The Dinosaur?

RZ in Lost Wages

Date: Sat, April 27, 2002, 14:37:34
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,

Hey remember awhile back when I started a topic on favorite intros,well I have some more...

late 70's/early 80s funk/soul edition:
Parliament(P-FUNK) -Dr. Funkenstein(not to be confused with Dr. WU), Flashlight,P-Funk(wants to get funked up...featuring The Brecker Bros.),Bop Gun(endangered species), Aqua Boogie
Rick James-Give It To Me Baby,Mary Jane,Mr.Policeman
Curtis Mayfield-Freddie's Dead,Superfly
Rufus & Chaka Khan-My Love Will Lift You Up(at midnight),Once You Get Started
Earth,Wind, & Fire-Can't Hide Love,Shining Star
The Isley Bros.-Voyage To Atlantis,That Lady

If anybody has anything to add,feel free..

Ayanna

"funk not only moves,it can remove"
George Clinton

Date: Sat, April 27, 2002, 09:09:53
Posted by: Frank, Ft. Lee, NJ

FYI- Kurt Elling sucks!

Date: Sat, April 27, 2002, 00:48:22
Posted by: HeyMike, NWSuburbs (Chicago)

Anyone interested in meeting at the green mill for Kurt Elling, Most Wednesdays. Broadway and Lawrence in the city. I'd go anytime with a little notice. let me know...

HeyMike

Date: Sat, April 27, 2002, 00:31:49
Posted by: Sean, Quincy, MA

Good point about those other songs being better known then GTII. Another factor in determining how many songs get on an album is the songwriter royalties for a particular region. Sometimes, an additional song will exceed the budget allowed for the album. I realize I am playing Bean Counters' Advocate.

Are there any Steely Dan cover bands in the Boston area?

After writing liner notes for Spinal Tap II, I could see Walter Becker being part of a National Lampoon movie. But not this one nor with this soundtrack. Then again, it could be him.

Yer Wife Don't Like Me is funny and tasty. Nigey Lennon is not a band but a woman near Scarsdale, NY who is a devotee of Frank Zappa. Caught one of her gigs about a year ago.

Cool to hear more about Metheny's gigs with Fagen.

Keith Carlock on drums? Does this mean no more Ricky Lawson? Or will there be a drummer and a percussionist?

See ya.

Sean

Date: Fri, April 26, 2002, 17:53:47
Posted by: Mitch, Omaha

Regarding Herbie's record and the exclusion of the S. Dan tune...I would venture to say that the interpretation of Henley and Cobain tunes were quite interesting and, in fact, a bit more directly related to the project than "YGT2". Why? Because most of the songs on "The New Standard" were pretty well known tunes. Of all the Dan tunes to pick, "YGT2" is a bit obscure, known mostly to Dan fans like ourselves. I would say that the point of the New Standards exercise was to reharmonize and, in some ways, rewrite some recent pop songs (The Simon and Garfunkel tune, not withstanding). "YGT2" is pretty complex to begin with and, while Herbie's version is great...it's not as much of a stretch like the up tempo burn of "New York Minute" is.

Side note: If you like jazz records that have reinterpretations of current pop hits (or at least of the last 20 years), I highly recommend "Double Gemini" by guitarist Paul Bollenbeck. It's a trio record with Joey DeFrancesco on Hammond organ and Jeff "Tain" Watts on drums. Their version of "Breaking The Girl" by The Red Hot Chili Peppers is fantastic!

Mitch

Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 16:53:28
Posted by: Whatevah happens,

Hey eveeyone, just got a surprise when I picked up a copy of the soundtrack CD for this new movie "National Lampoon Van Wilder" and unfortunately, basicallty the music sucks, but while checking the credits, I noticed that one of the three executive producers is "Walt Becker". This can't be the same Walter... can it?? It doesn't sound at all like the kind of music he would ever want to be associated with.

Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 16:16:34
Posted by: Dennis Shepherd, Chicago, IL

Dan-Fans,

Just dropping a note to thank everyone who attended our show saturday night at Harry's in Arlington Heights. It was great to see all of you there supporting SD's music and Katy Lied! I will try to drop in and post any new shows etc. when I can. Thanks again!

Dennis Shepherd
Guitarist - Katy Lied Band

Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 13:30:58
Posted by: John, Erie, Penn

Been listening to Radio Free Dandom at work today. There's a song called, "Yer Wife Don't Like Me." EXCELLENT! Can anyone tell me more about the band Nigey Lennon that performs it?

John

Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 12:18:47
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

I guess commerciality and name recognition is more important than solid songwriting. What do you expect from record companies?

Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 11:40:18
Posted by: Cosmic WoW,

I don't get why Your Gold Teeth II was left off the US release of Herbie Hancock's The New Standard. They left it off in favor of songs by Don Henley, Kurt Cobain and Babyface? Echhhhh.

WoW
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Date: Thurs, April 25, 2002, 01:40:07
Posted by: scott whiskey, on that heel

hey stevee-
there's a sweet girl on here who offered me a copy of Herbie's "YGT2"( and it turns out we live in the SAME F-ING TOWN!!!...no I haven't proposed to her...................................... yet :D)
so least i can do is offer you a copy.

hey man, too bad you're way over there on the left side. You on the keys right? I play guit and pedalsteel, and wanna do a Dan thing too.
But hey, i cain't play the '"YGT2" solo anyway!!!

oh and that monkeeboy on the MOJO board decided to step in it again:
http://ubb2.mojo4music.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=003150

so drop me a line, and you'll get a copy after i get mine. (and that just rhymed)

Date: Wed, April 24, 2002, 13:36:59
Posted by: Steveedan (from the Left Coast),

To Scott Whiskey - I have been searching for Herbie Hancock's Japanese Import 2-CD set of "The New Standard" for close to a year. I have not been able to get it yet. I heard a 25 second segment of Your Gold Teeth II from this on some website and it got me into trying to get it. YGT II is my favorite Steely Dan song.

Hoops wrote --
The European version of Herbie Hancock's "The New Standard" has a UPC of 7-31452-77152-0 and is on Universal/Verve. I've seen it at places that offer imports like borders.com, etc., plus other jazz import shops and web sites. "Your Gold Teeth II" is the eleventh track. The USA version, as noted, does not have the same track. A very kind Dan fan in Germany was kind enough to send me my copy. ... You are a very fortunate son of a gun !!!

Geoff Lloyd ? I did not get to meet you in San Diego. What?s your e-mail? I would love to see your pictures and get to know you better.

Justin Morell is a friend of Mark C., one of our guitarists in my new Steely Dan Tribute band Pretzel Logic. Justin and Mark taught music classes together in a music school in Los Angeles a few years back.

Paige ? how?s it going? Is the "Gold" Aqualung significantly better sounding than the typical CD? I love Jethro Tull too ...

Sounds like the Katy Lied band was great. Anyone got a live video or audio recording of them? ? Would love to see/hear it.

Thanks to all for the various items that have been posted here over the last two weeks - the Larry Carlton article, the Pat Metheny article, the blerbs about the new SD CD, etc.

YOU GUYS ALL ROCK !!!


Steveedan

Date: Wed, April 24, 2002, 09:43:53
Posted by: Joe Murtha,

Don't know if this has already been posted but, here's a recent comment from Pat Metheny regarding a question involving Fagen and Becker from Pat's website...

Question:
You might have noticed that a lot of us Metheniacs are also hard-core
Steely Dan fans. I read here that you played with Fagen and/or Becker at
a club in New York, that you've talked to them about a recording
project, etc. What's the real scoop? Inquiring minds want to know!

Pat's Answer:
hi mark,

that was really fun - i did a few unannounced gigs with donald fagan
around new york a few years ago - this was before the steely dan
reunion. one day, i was listening to the radio, and the dj said that
they were going to reunite to do a tour, they listed all the musicians
and that i was the guitar player! i hadn't talked to anyone about it!
well, i was shocked, a little bit pissed, but mostly flattered, but i
was touring with joshua redman and my own band around that time. then
walter becker called me a few times about doing it, tracking me down on
the road in europe and they called my office to talk about a fee for the
tour, etc. it was all kind of weird, but after all of this hoopla i
thought that maybe i might like to do it because it had been so much fun
playing those dan songs (which i love) with donald. but when i talked to
walter, i realized that if i did it, there would be three guitar players
in the band. i am sort of of the "one guitar is usually one too many
anyway" school, let alone three. so, it just kind of got dropped and i
didn't have to change things or cancel gigs or anything which would have
been a drag for me anyway - actually i don't think i could have done
that. i did go to see them one night on the tour; drew zing was playing
so great - he, along with the songs themselves, was the best part of the
whole show. i realized that i would not really have been that
comfortable doing it for more than a few nights anyway, it really was
like a greatest hits of the 70's kind of thing - it seemed like they
wanted it to sound as much as possible like the record versions which
would have been difficult for me to feel good about doing, so it worked
out best that i didn't do it. i still love listening to those records
though - the "nightfly" is probably my favorite. esp igy.

*** End Of Quote ***

Still pinning for the "next one"!

Joe

Date: Tues, April 23, 2002, 23:12:55
Posted by: oleander, watching Soul Train

Here's a fun find, and forgive me if it's already been tagged:

Arnold McCuller, on his 2001 release "Back To Front," covers "Lazy Nina." Hip-hop/ smooth jazz treatment w/ some scat--he's clearly enjoying himself. I'm very partial to the "Monkey House" version, but grooving out to this one:

http://digilander.iol.it/amccsite/albums.htm

You can listen to it on mp3.com.

Date: Tues, April 23, 2002, 21:15:31
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Here's some interesting news from a reliable source in NYC:

Keith Carlock has played drums on sessions for The Next One by SD and is also a strong possibility as a member of Steely Dan's next touring ensemble. Keith played drums on "Two Against Nature," as well as with Harry Belafonte, Paula Abdul, The Blues Brothers 2000, Wayne Krantz and Grover Washington, Jr.

Even a little bit of news about The Next One gets me goin'. How about it?

h

Date: Tues, April 23, 2002, 11:30:37
Posted by: Cosmic WoW,

Somehow, I always pictured Linda Lovelace working at the Western World. Every time I heard that song.

L.L., R.I.P.

(A.P) Linda Boreman, who starred as Linda Lovelace in the 1972 pornographic film "Deep Throat" and later became an anti-porn advocate, died Monday of injuries she suffered in a car crash. She was 53.

Boreman was taken to Denver Health Medical Center with massive trauma and internal injuries after the April 3 accident, hospital spokeswoman Sara Spaulding said. She was taken off life support Monday, Spaulding said.

Boreman's ex-husband, Larry Marchiano, said he and their two adult children were at the hospital when she died.

"Everyone might know her as something else, but we knew her as mom and as Linda," Marchiano said. "We divorced five years ago, but she was still my best friend."

The family moved to Colorado in 1990 and the two divorced in 1996 after 22 years of marriage.

Boreman claimed her first husband forced her into pornography at gunpoint. They divorced in 1973.

Their relationship disintegrated into a life of violence, rape, prostitution and pornography, according to her 1980 autobiography, "Ordeal," and her testimony before congressional committees investigating pornography.

Boreman said she was never paid a penny for "Deep Throat" and her husband only was paid $1,250, though the film grossed a reported $600 million.

After leaving the industry, she traveled the lecture circuit on a crusade against pornography, speaking at colleges and with prominent feminists.

"I look in the mirror and I look the happiest I've ever looked in my entire life," she said in a 1997 interview. "I'm not ashamed of my past or sad about it. And what people might think of me, well, that's not real. I look in the mirror and I know that I've survived."

Boreman was born January 10, 1949, in the Bronx borough of New York.

WoW
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Date: Mon, April 22, 2002, 22:20:20
Posted by: hoops, chicago

heymike;

I stand corrected. Yes, you and Earthbound both won spa sex weekends, along with that Marsha person (no relation to Marsha Cara Mia). Maybe Keith, you and your g/f can make it a four-w...nevermind. Enjoy and congrats! GLAD YOU ALL COULD MAKE IT!

H

Date: Mon, April 22, 2002, 22:17:18
Posted by: O. & H, in the Charettery

ATTENTION ENTRANTS: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Charette

O. and I were going over the entries for Steely Charette to design
a Steely Dan exhibit for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit.

To confirm, we have entries from:

• Ellen Brenner (aka Miz Ducky)
• Jan-Olov Blix
• Shotan
• Peg Jordan

If you entered and your name does not appear, please accept our apologies and email us tout de suite at charette@flathat.net

Thank yoU!

The letters h and O

Date: Mon, April 22, 2002, 10:10:13
Posted by: HeyMike, NWSuburbs

What a great show at Harry's. I missed the first set due to a previous commitment. We actually won the night at the sex hotel. A nice addition to a great evening. I sang everyword and drew looks from nearby casual dan fans. So I was pretty hoarse the next morning. Great to see hoops, Keith and Geoff back from the big D. counting the days till July3 in Naperville. If I can help with an up coming danfest here, let me know..

Thanks for finding these guys hoops!

Keith write me..MP HeyMike038@aol.com

Date: Sun, April 21, 2002, 22:55:10
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

MOCK STEELY DAN SONG

As you know by now, there's this new cover band named "Katy Lied" in the Chicago area that I had not seen before but did read about in the "Illinois Entertainer." So they had this gig slated for last night. While I mentioned it here and on the Digest in the past couple of weeks since I found out about it, I also wasn't sure what to expect. On top that, I was hesitant to go into high gear, after all, there's still that warm afterglow from the San Diego and Milwaukee Danfests from last weekend—why divert even an iota of attention?. I expected a low-key affair.

But last night at Harry's in downtown Arlington Heights was spectacular and spontaneous—everyone went wild. First of all, the turn-out. Geoff Lloyd, formerly of Chicago, still pumped from his last-minute participation in the San Diego Danfest, flew in at the last minute from Dallas just hours before. Then Keith Alyea drove in from West Lafayette, Indiana (towards Indy) with his delightful girlfriend Stephanie. Will, Moray Eel was there, as was Mike, Bill and Phil, "Hey Mike" and Marhsa; Steven and Heidi Kikoen from Lincolnwood Schools (see http://www.steelydan.com/lincolnwood.html) and their friends, joined us, and a few familiar faces from the Steely Show pre-concert Danfest. So in that I was already surprised by the turn-out.

So Harry's is about 80' X 40', with a balcony along three walls that is maybe 8' wide to provide a second-level. The stage is maybe 10' X 12' in the front window of the place. Just before 10 pm, the band starts playing. The band was of all ages of players. The lead vocalist and keyboardist is this guy I had spoken with before, Bob Blom. It turns out, Bob looks like Mark Knopfler. Bob also writes music with Steven Kikboen. Bob is the leader of the band, and is surprisingly modest. There's also this bass player who looked a lot like Paul Schaeffer's cooler brother with this nifty hat. They two fine looking ladies on vocals in the center, a woman who played percussion, a drummer, sax, trumpet, and trombone. They also had this really young guitarist, Dennis, who was new to the band in the past four weeks. So, admittedly, I was a little skeptical.

Like I said, I wasn't sure what to expect. I heard that intro clip they have at their site, http://www.katylied.tv ,and they sounded good for a relatively low-res streaming media commercial. But I wasn't sure how I would like vocals. If I am going to see an SD cover band, I'd rather the vocalist sing in their own style—like Bob Tedde of the Steely Damed does—rather than impersonate Donald since only Donald can sing like Donald. So I was wondering if Bob Blom would try to sound like DF or not. Also, the announcer on their website commercial had this one line that suggested they might be as good as the real thing. No way that could ever happen!!! That made me a little cynical going into this.

And on top of this, the only other SD cover band I had experienced was The Steely Damned in NYC with Lou Marini and Bernard Purdie participating. The Damned were great—but still not Becker and Fagen.

All that said as a preface, I was majorly, majorly impressed by Katy Lied last night.

First of all, Bob Blum sings like himself—wasn't trying to be a Fagen impersonator—and Blum's a great fit for the songs. But above all else, the band was incredibly talented, much, much more than I expected. As I understand it, they've only played two to four gigs so far and this was the guitarist's first with the band.

Before I go through the set list, song-by-song, I would summarize it like this: Overall, they were really great—and then there would be these jaw-dropping instances that were absolutely amazing.

Sure, there's a few spots in the songs where I think they need to fill in some holes, (put the horns on here, maybe a solo here, fill in a gap there.) Yeah, there were a few rough spots or mistakes. And I think they need to work together longer to become even better. But, shit! This was one of first gigs for this band ever and they kicked ass. The bass player kept things driving; Bob Blum did some amazing things on the keys and Dennis the guitarist could play the Becker parts, but also add his own flare as well. Those three especially stand out in my mind.

They opened with "Pretzel Logic," followed by "Green Earrings," "Peg," "My Old School," "Don't Take Me Alive" (Dennis' guitar was searing), "Sign In Stranger," "Black Friday" (really interesting intro and vocal start). The second set included "Deacon Blue" (great keys by Bob and the horns were great), "Tomorrow's Girls" (a surprise), "Josie" (amazing guitar playing), "Black Cow" (Great keys by Bob again), and "Cousin Dupree" (great horns).

The third set included, "Bablylon Sisters" (the joint went nuts during "You gotta shake it baby," just like real Steely Dan shows), "Kid Charlemagne" (fantastic guitar playing by Dennis), "Hey 19." It was at this point where Dennis really started to play amazingly hot on "What a Shame About Me," "FM" (Highlight for the evening when Dennis played Walter's end fade solo on "FM" with all this Hendrix stuff mixed in), "Daddy Don't Live In That New York City No More," "The Fez" ( vocals by Dennis and Bob Blum nailed the Griffin keys—SD needs to play this next tour), "Rikki," "Home At Last," a fucking amazing "Dr Wu" including great guitar and keys that made everyone nuts), and closed with "Bodhisattva" which got the whole joint going crazy.

As I said, if I had to pick one moment as best, it was this end guitar solo fade on "FM." Now, I think Walter's stretched, twisted, sparing and economical playing is incredible and I love it that way best. But this Hendrix/Becker thing Dennis did was amazingly fresh and well executed. Just fresh, different and amazingly energetic. My jaw dropped.

Bob Blum also made a point of acknowledging the Chicago Danfest people who were there, especially Geoff who had flown in. Keith and his girlfriend won a raffle to a spa resort weekend or something like that. The bar's owners came over and paid us some complements as apparently we were the most worked up audience they had seen. They really appreciated our enthusiasm. (Yeah, yeah, I hear you cynics, "You're just all horned up from not having seen the Dan in two years.")

No cover band, not even the Steely Damned or Katy Lied or Nearly Dan or…whoever…could take the place of Steely Dan. BUT Katy Lied was hot and, on this tourless summer, we're looking forward to seeing Katy Lied again. Some people chatted about having a Danfest in Chicago around Labor Day with one night being Katy Lied and another night or two being the Chicago Jazzfest. That's a real possibility. Imagine if Becker and Fagen could see what their fans are having to do to get their fix.

Thanks again to everyone who made it an amazing night.

h

Date: Sun, April 21, 2002, 18:08:30
Posted by: W1P, wch1ispink@aol.com

Hi Geoff. Nice seeing you again. Things have been insane in LA since the TSD show last Friday. Hopefully we can catch up soon!

Date: Sun, April 21, 2002, 16:10:31
Posted by: Geoff, Dallas

I just got home from last night's incredible Katy Lied gig. What a terrific show. Harry's had a great atmosphere, the owner Steve was most gracious and thanked us all personally for coming. I managed to talk to about half of the band - they're really no different to the typical SD tribute members - brilliant, modest and of course nuts about Steely Dan. Everyone in the band was excellent, but I was particlarly amazed by their guitar palyer Dennis ripping up the outro of FM, and their incredible bass player.

It was really good to see some the core of Trifecta Dandom again - Earthbound, Bill, Phil, and Hey! - Mike! Special thanks to Hoops! for the limo service. See you all soon - Naperville Ribfest ?

Oh, and thanks to The Steely Damned for that other terrific tribute gig last week - great show of course, and a riot hanging with Bob, Peg, Oleander Angel, W1P/April/Josh, Ms Ducky St. Al and Jami. My pictures came out reasonably well for a change so I'll post them somewhere.

Date: Sat, April 20, 2002, 13:51:56
Posted by: Peg, Beneath the laundry pile

Hoopsie -- Belated 'grats on your anniversary and a big thanks. And hooray for speeding up the loading time on the Bluebook. Amen, brother!
"Last 5 CDs purchased" -- they're almost all oldies that I am replacing or finally buying after wanting 'em for years.
- Two Bob Dylans: Blood on the Tracks (I wore out that record back in 1975) and Slow Train Coming. Ahh.
- Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense. A concert recorded live that went with a movie. (Anybody out there seen it?) Has a fast version of Take me to the River. It's so '80s; those squealy synths are so fun.
- Little Feat: Waiting For Columbus. This came out in 1978. It's what you could call rhythm & blues-southern rock all fried to juicy perfection. Yum.
- A CD that came with Jazziz Magazine (does this count?), with fun lite jazz tunes from Brazil, India, Africa, etc.
Cheers and happy weekend to all,
~Peg

Date: Fri, April 19, 2002, 18:45:53
Posted by: Molly, Mistress of Mayhem

I've been reading your posts and decided to say hi.I love Steely Dan,and most other music.I always liked Katy Lied best,with Royal Scam coming in at a close second.I suppose I have sentimental feelings associated with Katy Lied....I loved Carlton on "Don't take me alive".Have some of his solo work, his redition of "Josie" is outstanding.

Date: Fri, April 19, 2002, 13:19:16
Posted by: jk, jk

last 5 cd's

ray mason - three dollar man. quirky, undefinable rock/pop - with a great sense of humor.

2. norah jones - come away with me (ed. i'd be glad to!) quiet bonnie raitt on piano.

3.pat metheny group - speaking of now. songs not as memerable as other albums but the playing is first rate - new drummer is excellent.

4. mike demicco - as the sun sets - nice set of "smooth jazz"

5. cpr - at the jazz cafe {boot} great band, great show. r is having vocal problems but still worth a listen.

6. the beatles - get back {boot} (glyn johns compilation of pre spector let it be sessions) raw but wonderful.

jk

Date: Fri, April 19, 2002, 13:07:42
Posted by: dig, dug

"You Gotta Have Friends"
A Buzzy Linhart Celebration/Benefit -
at the Bottom Line in NYC, Monday, April 22nd
All net proceeds will go to Buzzy for medical expenses

With performances from Buzzy Linhart and his friends,
- David Amram - Richard Belzer - John Hammond Jr -
Moogy Klingman - Will Lee - John Sebastian - Phoebe Snow

Tributes from WBAI's Bob Fass, producer Eddie Kramer,
and Blacklisted journalist Al Aronowitz

Musical Director - Moogy Klingman at the keyboards,
Bruce Gatewood, Guitar, Kevin Ellman, drums, Will Lee and Even
Steven, bass -
Harmony singers - Julie Eigenberg, Ellen Bernfeld, & Johanna Fee

Monday April 22nd - one show only at 8:00 - $30
The Bottom Line is at 15 w 4th st. in NYC, for tickets call
212 502 3471
or go to http://bottomlinecabaret.com to reserve tickets

***********************************************

Buzzy Linhart is a rock legend and the guy I wrote "You gotta have Friends" with. Buzz started out in the early sixties as Greenwich Village's leading vibes player. He played in bands backing up Tim Hardin and Fred Neil. Buzzy also played vibes on many albums for people like John Sebastion and Jimi Hendrix.

Buzz started playing guitar and singing and writing songs in the late sixties, and made a big impression with his first band, the Seventh Songs. Soon Buzzy was singing and playing as a solo act and causing quite a sensation. He got signed to Mercury and put out an album in 1969 for that label. Buzzy had a series of great bands and gave a great show.

He was signed to Karma Sutra and put out a series of albums for them in the early seventies. In the mid seventies Buzzy had an album out on Atlantic as well, with many of his records being re-released through out the late 70's and early 80's in "greatest hits" formats.

Buzzy was always known as an amazing performer. He would run around the stage switching from guitar to vibes, playing long extended jams, and was known as a powerhouse performer, sweating off pounds every show and doing sets as long as two hours. He built a huge following on the East Coast (even selling out Carnegie Hall!) and could easily be said to have been the "Bruce Springsteen of the early seventies"!

Buzzy's unique combination of jazz, folk and rock made him an innovator and influence on many who came after him. His singing could go from rock to blues to jazz scat in any 24 bars of a song! His songs were covered by people like Bette Midler, Barry Manilow, Carly Simon, and the Roche Sisters.

Though Buzzy sightings became rarer thru the eighties and nineties, he still is a great singer and performer. CD releases have recently come out featuring Buzzy. "The Buzzy/Moogy sessions" is music recorded from 83 to 94 with Buzzy Linhart and his buddy Moogy released on the Internet label http://www.Moogymusic.com. Also released on CD in 2001 was "Buzzy Linhart Loves You" a retrospective of Buzzy's 70's recordings on Razor and Tie.

David Amram is a legendary music personality who has straddled the worlds of music from jazz to classical. He was a pivotal collaborator with such great jazz personalities as Miles Davis, Charlie Parker and Charles Mingus. His musical collaborations with Jack Kerouac and the beats are well known and Amram has just written and had published a book, "Offbeat" about those times.

A great classical composer and movie soundtrack writer ("The Manchurian Candidate" and "Splendor in the Grass" among others) David is also a great jazz multi-instrumentalist and singer. His improvisational singing and scatting are a miracle to behold.

Richard Belzer a great comedian and actor. Star of television's long running series, "Law and Order", he made his claim early on, as one of the most outlandish and radical comics. His many films, TV and nightclub appearances, as well as HBO specials, have made him one of America's most beloved funny men.

John Hammond Jr. is one of America's great white blues singers. Having started recording albums in the mid-sixties, he worked with great musicians in his band and on his records. Before anyone knew who people like Jimi Hendrix and Robbie Robertson were, they were playing with Hammond. He has recorded and released over 30 albums and his newest release is a collaboration with Tom Waits on Virgin.

Moogy Klingman co-wrote "You got to have Friends" with Buzzy Linhart back in the old daze. Moogy has had solo albums released on Capitol and EMI records and recently started an internet CD label featuring his music new and old, (as well as collaboration with Buzzy Linhart). Moogy was a founding member of Todd Rundgren's Utopia and recorded over a dozen albums with Todd and Utopia in the seventies. Moogy has produced albums for such artists as Bette Midler and James Cotten and even produced a song with Bob Dylan. Moogy's songs have been recorded by Ms. Midler, Carly Simon, Todd Rundgren and Utopia, Johny Winter and Barry Manilow among others.

Moogy has been a recent fixture on the NY music club scene playing gigs with the Moogy Klingman band and his Utopia tribute group "Freak Parade", who's new CD can be found at Moogymusic.com.

Moogy is proud to be producing the Buzzy Linhart celebration/benefit.

Will Lee is perhaps, the most well known bass player in America and also considered by many to be one of best on his instrument. He has played and recorded with everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE. He is most well known for being the bassist for the David Letterman show for about the last 20 years.

Will is also a great singer and has had several solo albums released. He will be singing some songs as well as backing up other artists at the Linhart event.

John Sebastion is one of America's greatest pop songwriters. With his band, "The Loving Spoonful", he wrote and sang at least a dozen top ten hits, frequently knocking the Beatles out of the top spots on the charts. Songs like "Do You Believe In Magic", "Did You Ever Have To Make Up Your Mind", "Summer in the City" "Daydream", and solo hits like "Welcome Back", have made Sebastion's music as well loved as anyone's in the history of popular music.

A great harmonica player, Sebastion was jamming on his harp in Greenwich Village in the 60's where he met Linhart who was jamming on the vibes. Only later did these two guys (who backed up everybody down there) start singing and writing songs. But when they did, ........ the rest is history.

Phoebe Snow was just a high school student, when she met Buzzy Linhart and started coming to his recording sessions. Phoebe's blue, jazz scat style does owe something to her days listening to Buzzy sing in the recording studio. Of course, it was during the mid seventies that Phoebe broke out with "Poetry Man", her number one hit which was followed by many others.

Her beautiful recordings are matched by her incredible live vocal stylings. An amazing singer, who's pyrotechnical approach to singing has made her a much in demand studio singer who has worked with everyone from Paul Simon to Steely Dan.

With any luck, Phoebe and Buzzy will sing a duet at the Buzzy Celebration that alone, will be worth the price of admission.

Bob Fass is radio host and producer of "Radio Unnamable", his long running show on WBAI. Bob has been on the air for over forty years and is considered the father of free form radio. Bob was the first to discover and put on the radio live, many acts, including Bob Dylan, Richie Havens, Arlo Guthrie and of course, Buzzy Linhart. Moogy Klingman has had the privilege to appear often over the years as a guest on Bob Fass's "Radio Unnamable".

Eddie Kramer started out in England as an engineer for people like the Beatles, Lead Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones, but soon went on to become a producer/engineer for many Jimi Hendrix albums as well as for Kiss, Carly Simon and, oh yes, Buzzy Linhart. Eddie is now the exclusive producer/engineer for any and all Jimi Hendrix releases that have come out over the last ten years.

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As one can see, it's going to be an all-star show, folks. Don't miss it!

There is only one show and 400 tickets, so get 'em before they sell out.

Moogy

CD's by Moogy Klingman, Freak Parade and Buzzy Linhart are available to listen to or purchase at http://www.moogymusic.com

Date: Fri, April 19, 2002, 10:12:49
Posted by: Big Fan,

Thought you might enjoy this read on Larry Carlton - his solo on Kid Charlemagne is now considered one of the top three guitar solos of all time!

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20020418woa3.htm

Date: Thurs, April 18, 2002, 22:09:19
Posted by: hoops,

The "Circuits" section in today's "New York Times" has a consise story on the Internet Radio Station royalty legislation that threatens the existence of stations like "Radio Free Dandom", etc. Basically, the RIAA wants 14 cents royalties for every 100 listeners of a particular song. That would really add up and effectively kill services like Live365 which make RFD possible.

h

Date: Thurs, April 18, 2002, 13:56:14
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Most recent purchases:

Barenaked Ladies Greatest Hits album - They are a personal favorite of mine, especially because they really seem to have fun with what they are doing. Their music may be simplistic, but they are great live.

Walter Becker, _11 Tracks of Whack_ - I have grown to like this album, even some of the less accessible tracks (Lucky Henry, Surf and/or Die, Hat Too Flat). I still have a tough time stomaching Little Kawai though.

Dave Brubeck Quartet, _Time Out_ - Some great tunes, always a good listen.

Herbie Hancock, _Headhunters_ - Awesome sounds from the multitude of keyboards he uses. I love it how the rhythm section just grooves throughout the tracks on this album.

Steely Dan, "Roaring of the Lamb" - What will probably be the last album of SD demo's I'll buy. Disappointed with it, but it could be worse...could be another band's demos.

Steely Dan, _Two Against Nature_ - Got it the first day it was at the stores.

As you can see, I don't buy much music. I keep telling myself I want to buy more jazz albums, but it's always hard for me to pick.

Yeah Cosmic Wow, I'm hoping the lack of a newsletter means that they are just so hard at work that they don't have time to put one together:).

Earl

Date: Thurs, April 18, 2002, 13:21:59
Posted by: Paige, My Stuff

Most recent purchases...

Elton John - Songs From the West Coast - Good to hear Bernie's lyrics again.
Pink Floyd - The Wall - This about the fourth copy I've owned. Can't get enough.
Steely Dan - Show Biz Kids - A great compilation
Jethro Tull - Aqualung - Another (Gold) copy.

Waiting for Neil's new one.

What;s in the player right now....

Sting - Fields of Gold
Earth Wind and Fire - Greatest Hits
Steely Dan - Show Biz Kids (disc 1)
King Crimson - In the Court...
Focus - Hocus Pocus

There ya go.

-Paige

Date: Thurs, April 18, 2002, 13:01:06
Posted by: Happy Log, fuming merrily

Geez Hoops, whatever was the problem with the loading speed of your page is fixed and then some. Bravo!
Now I don't have time to brew a cup of joe anymore while I wait...

Date: Thurs, April 18, 2002, 10:07:13
Posted by: Cosmic Wow,

The stories remind me of how the MTA got sued because a guy climbed down on to the tracks and pissed on the third rail and electrocuted himself to death.

Am I right? There been no Steely Dan newsletter since Xmas?

WoW

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Date: Wed, April 17, 2002, 18:02:05
Posted by: Dave,

The Justin Morrell album sounds great. Tribute band concerts and tribute albums. Look what Steely Dan has made us do in their absence!

Here are a few funnys that could be in a Steely Dan lyric soon. Ya never know. All true and all happened in California, before it tumbled into the sea.

GOOD KING RICHARD?
In Modesto, Steven Richard King was arrested for trying to hold up a Bank of America branch without a weapon. King used a thumb and a finger to simulate a gun, but unfortunately, he failed to keep his hand in his pocket.

DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE?
Police in Oakland spent two hours attempting to subdue a gunman who had barricaded himself inside a his home. After firing ten tear gas canisters, officers discovered that the man was standing beside them in the police line, shouting, "Please come out and give yourself up!"

ONE SUMMER BY THE SEA
On Lake Isabella, located in the high desert, an hour east of Bakersfield, some newcomers to boating were having problems. No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't get their brand new 22-ft boat going. It was very sluggish in almost every maneuver, no matter how much power was applied. After an hour of trying to make it go, they putted to a nearby marina, thinking someone there could tell them what was wrong. A thorough topside check revealed everything in perfect working condition. The engine ran fine, the outdrive went up and down, the prop was the correct size and pitch. So, one of the marina guys jumped into the water to check underneath. He came back up choking on water, he was laughing so hard....NOW REMEMBER, THIS IS TRUE: under the boat, still strapped securely in place, was the trailer.

Date: Wed, April 17, 2002, 14:56:57
Posted by: hoops,

I ordered it from Amazon.com. Looking forward to hearing it all.

Amazon has this "Share The Love" feature (stupid name, huh?). Click Here and you go to a page that saves you an extra $1.30 through April 24. Save the $1.30 for plane tix to the next Danfest. ;-) Morell's website has it for about the same price through Pay Pal.

Thanks again for all the info (back in mid-March) and sorry to be catching up with all of it just now. Have quite a few other things I will respond to as well. Thanks for your patience.

h

Date: Wed, April 17, 2002, 13:46:22
Posted by: DrMu, Tejas

I'm not going to look back at the archives, but didn't Justin himself post on either blue or yellow? Anyway, sounds great over the internet - is on my list...

Date: Wed, April 17, 2002, 11:18:11
Posted by: hoops,

Whatevah, (and for that matter, Gina & W1P);

Duly noted …and my apologies—guilty as charged. At the same time, it should be noted that this must be a great recording since it caught my ear without my realizing who it was or any of the story behind it. So do go out and get it. Thanks for the tip on Amazon.com. As it happens, I received a serendipitous reminder from Amazon.com that I have a gift certificate from nine months ago that I have never used. The planets must be aligned. Thanks again.

Fortunately, the big end-of-year exhibit at work is finally up and so last night I finally found myself with extra time. Looking forward to catching up on a lot of posts, not to mention a list of about 20 posts that I've been meaning to write.

h

Date: Wed, April 17, 2002, 09:10:24
Posted by: Whatevah happens,

Hoopsie,

I did point out the new Justin Morell CD to the Bluebook on March 22 in case you missed it. I got mine from Amazon.com.

Date: Tues, April 16, 2002, 23:50:13
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

The European version of Herbie Hancock's "The New Standard" has a UPC of 7-31452-77152-0 and is on Universal/Verve. I've seen it at places that offer imports like borders.com, etc., plus other jazz import shops and web sites. "Your Gold Teeth II" is the eleventh track. The USA version, as noted, does not have the same track. A very kind Dan fan in Germany was kind enough to send me my copy.

Herbie definitely rearranges YGTII and makes it his own thing.

Speaking of which, my ear was really grabbed by a track tonight on WBEZ, Chicago Public Radio, 91.5 FM Just before 9:00 pm, I was listening and I heard this jazz instrumental that had this guitar riff that I could have swore was similar to Steely Dan's "Kings." So I am listening, wondering who this is and if at all possible was something that somehow influenced Becker/Fagen to write "Kings." I thought it was an old track from the 50s or 60s. As it turns out, it's from a new album from L.A. guitarist Justin Morell's Quintet and is called "The Music of Steely Dan." The D.J. on WBEZ said on the air that they "were having a lot of fun" with this new album and that they would be playing tracks from it evenings this week. To make a long story short, I called the radio station and they pointed me to his web site, http://www.justinmorell.com where the CD can be purchased. It apparently is not in stores. Morell wrote this as a composition inspired by "Kings" but with new elements as well. "Home At Last," "I Got The News," and "Babylon Sisters" are some of the other tracks.

If you are in Chicago, you might give 91.5 FM, WBEZ, a listen evenings and catch some other tracks from it. WBEZ is really hit or miss in my book. Some of their choices for jazz vocal tracks are a bit too loungy for me. But it's worth a listen.

hoops

Date: Tues, April 16, 2002, 22:06:27
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain

Mucho Gracias, Hoops :-)

Date: Tues, April 16, 2002, 17:26:19
Posted by: Gina, Sun Mountain

hey all ...

stepping into the RLJ thread at once: We had a Public Leaning Post Club in Yahoo, almost 100 signed in members .. but in the migration process to Groups it failed to resurface. As a temporary measure, until we have developed a totally independent one, without adds/banners, we found a nice place which is:

http://books.dreambook.com/g-serendipity/plp.html

just LUV the connections in Dan & Jones :-),

G.

Date: Tues, April 16, 2002, 02:58:20
Posted by: Scott Whiskey,

Last 5 CDs bought:

1) Joe Jackson- Live in New York (love that "King of the World" medley!) Have Don/Walt ever commented on Jackson? I suspect the admiration is mutual.

2) Dire Straits- On the Night (another live one... love the pedal steel guitar thrown in the mix)

3) The Byrds- Sanctuary II (unreleased songs, alternate takes/mixes from 66-68... including the backing track to "Time Between" which showcases the late Clarence White on guitar. Check out the recently-released 'Live at the Fillmore' to hear Clarence at his blazing best.)

4) Andy Summers- Green Chimneys (nothin' but Monk tunes!)

5) The Howard Roberts Quartet- reissues (more great jazz guitar --or as he puts it: dirty, funky, swamp bossa nova. From the mid-60s... this guy smokes)

Two quick questions:

1)speaking of swamp bossa nova, there's an old CREEM article from '74 that describes Steely Dan as "sci-fi samba" and the article is entitled 'Panic in the Year Zero Bossa Nova'. Is this reprinted anywhere? I'd love to read the whole article.

2) Where can I hear Herbie Hancock's version of "Your Gold Teeth II"?

(has anyone ever covered "YGT" (part one) ???) Love that tune!!!

Date: Mon, April 15, 2002, 20:20:14
Posted by: Moops,

I was talking with one of the guys from Katy Lied. He is involved in the operation of recording studios—one in the Chicago area and near L.A.. Now this may be a tenuous and rumour-mongering siting, but be that as it may, said source claims Walter Becker was sited in the L.A. area about a couple of weeks ago scoping out studios for potential session work on The Next One. (Did I put enough disclaimers in there?)

Anyways, great to think that The Next One might be plugging along, even if those rumours get twisted.

How come this wasn't on E.T.?

Moops

Date: Mon, April 15, 2002, 17:56:16
Posted by: Whatevah happens,

Hoops-- agreed with you, on the "Pirates" track by Rickie Lee Jones. Always liked that one. For anyone who is lucky enough to have the PBS show "Mountain Stage" air in their area, Rickie Lee was on the one I saw Saturday night in New York. She did an acoustic version of "Pirates", just her on the piano, that was quite beautiful. I was also hoping to hear her do something from "Flying Cowboys", but no.

Date: Mon, April 15, 2002, 16:13:29
Posted by: hoops,

Actually, I haven't purchased many CDs in the past few months. Used to buy at least one every Tuesday. Used to mentally check off the list from "ICE Newsletter" in anticpation. Not much on there any more. I sound like a crabby old man, don't I???

That said, the last few CDs in my car starting with most recent CD played last night:

Donald Fagen: "The Nightfly" (played in a car with plates "NYTFLY 1" ) I've always consider this to be an album about when *I* was growing up. DF sings about all the things that impressed me as a kid and made me go on to study architecture, art and computers. One thing struck me this listen, my rememberances of listiening to "The Nightfly" for the first time are also beginning to seem distant. I was also struck as to how the keyboards and WENDL II has quite a bit in common with Herbie Hancock's "Future 2 Future" album, which was Herbie's attempt at creatiing New Music for the New Century. I guess DF & Co. were creating new music for the New Century 20 years ago.

Steely Dan: "Can't Buy A Thril" After listening to early 70s Neil Diamond for the first time in years, I had this urge to listen to what Steely Dan was doing about the same time. Interesting comparison.

Neil Diamond: "The Complete Uni Studio Recordings...Plus!" I gave my brother this new mini-box set, only to have to exchange it because of a bad CD 2. So I gave it a listen. My brother is a huge Neil Diamond fan and I am not, but, heard a lot of Neil growing up. So this was the first time I had listened to these albums in years. First thing I was remined of was how Neil's vocals are way-too-over-the-top mellow-dramatic. But then I was surprised that a few things actually grabbed me from Neil's most credible period. What struck me were some of the songs he recorded in Memphis circa 1969 and how relatively low key and stark they were. I was also struck at his relatively low-key vocals on covers of "Everybody's Talkin'," "Mr. Bojangles," "I Think It's Going To Rain Today," and "Suzanne." They have a certain innocence or naivete to them that is also melancholy. Finally, I was struck by what a great job Arranger/Conductor Lee Holdridge did in making the songs work. Listening was like seeing someone from second grade who you hadn't seen since. That's what propelled me to listen to CBAT afterwards. Anyhow, like "Rikki," MCA also chopped the first few seconds off one of the songs on the Neil Diamond box as well. Today, I mailed it off for exchange for my brother.

Ricky Lee Jones, "Pirates" This has been getting a lot of rotation in my car the past few months. I owned this CD for a long time before I played it through. I still skip some songs. The horns are really great. Sometimes, RLJ's vocals get screechy, but there's some great music, especially the horns, on this one, although maybe it's a bit overproduced. Fagen contributes like three synth notes on the title track, as if you didn't know.

Herbie Hancock, "Future 2 Future" I wasn't expecting to care for this new one from Herbie when it came out last fall. It was touted as Herbie's attempt at making new music for the new millennium. I had heard it was all hip-hop. In fact , it was not; instead it was electronica and turntable with a pinches of Star Trek theme thrown in now and then. I liked it so much that I caught Herbie at the Chicago House of Blues last month. (I meant to write a review but haven't gotten around to it. It was great show.) Maybe not for everyone, but it has piqued my interest in electronica. OK, it's not the best Hancock CD, but I thought it much, much better than I expected. A good listen.

The Sea and The Cake (home compilation) After seeing Hancock, I asked one the students to loan me some electronica. He loaned me his home compilation of a band (I think out of Chicago) called "The Sea and the Cake." I'm hoping a few of these sound elements end up on The Next One by Steely Dan. Liked a lot of it but not everything.

Leonard Cohen, "Ten New Songs" Still an incredible collection, six months after it came out. Cohen's stuff is sublime understatement. Just some simple electronic music with his understated and tasteful, yet powerful, vocal nuances. Simply brilliant and often funny as well. You must go buy this one if you haven't already. I guess Lenny's vocals, like crushed velvet to these ears, aren't for everyone. Yes, his vocals are VERY DEEP and somewhere between singing and a poetry reading. The Beat lives.

h

Date: Mon, April 15, 2002, 10:37:51
Posted by: Randy, NJ/USA

Dansters-

I must admit I'm guilty of "double-boarding" here since I posted the same inquiry on the "Sign In Stranger" guestbook, but hey, fuck it. Sometimes it's interesting to see what ELSE Steely Dan fans dump into their heads when it comes to music. So what are the last five CDs you bought/listened to?

1. Dr. John - 'Creole Moon' (2001)

2. Lee Morgan - 'Taru' (1968)

3. Andy Summers/John Etheridge - 'Invisible Threads' (1993)

4. Horace Silver - 'Blowin' The Blues Away' (1959)

5. Russell Malone - 'Black Butterfly' (1993)

Randy/NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

Date: Sun, April 14, 2002, 17:16:51
Posted by: Peg, Under the redbud tree

If we are in an artistic decline in this country it's because we value money over heart, and conformism over non-conformism. I hope this whole emphasis is only one side of a pendulum swing of sorts, and eventually the people who have denied themselves and others the freedom of expression in the name of a buck will wake up, and we'll get back to a laissez-faire attitude that makes life so much sweeter...When people will ever just let each other BE and not feel the need to sue the --- off the guy next-door because they don't like the smell of his cigar?

We don't teach children music or arts today with the same intensity that we used to... we rather ignore it in favor of sports. We teach our children to value appearnce and style over substance, and that's the sort of music we are getting today, thank you very much.

Then, too, there's the resulting lack of financial backing for the arts. If kids go to college to get a degree in literature, for example, they take a job doing computers. It is also harder than ever before for musicians and artists who do have something to say to break out and say it, unless they've got a pile of cash behind them.

I was just listening to the Royal Scam recently and musing about some of the same things previous posters were...You kmow, when I heard the Aja album when it first came out, I admit was a bit let down...for all of Aja's its beauty and lilting sarcasm I still missed the up-yours, get off my --- attitude of the Royal Scam. It's my fave.

Cheers,

~Peg

Date: Sat, April 13, 2002, 21:57:15
Posted by: John, Erie, Penn.

I'm not sure about all the deep meanings of "The Royal Scam" but it is definitely the fan's album. Fagen's vocals sneer more than any other Steely Dan album and the guitarists all sear more than any other Steely Dan album.

John.

Date: Fri, April 12, 2002, 18:04:34
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, here to engage and enlighten

Dandom Insight #2: ASTRAL PROJECTION (PART 1)

Here's some weekend fun for you.

A friend of mine told me she (supposedly) has the ability to read people's auras (you know - a person's life energy that radiates around them from within). She can even read auras off the TV and off of pictures. So I gave her a color picture of Donald and Walter off of some magazine cover. She looks at Donald (on the right of the picture) and says, "He's bright emerald green." She took one look at Walter (on the left in the picture) and says, "OOh, he's red! Bright ruby red!" (BTW - has anyone ever noticed [besides me] that D & W are always photgraphed, with few exceptions, with Walter on the left and Donald on the right?)

So, draw your own conclusions:

Donald: "...Green Earrings...Green Flower Street..."

Walter: "...The Wine Dark Sea...The Ruby-Fingered Dawn..."

I'll let you do your own research as to what these aura colors mean about a person's personality! (FYI - My friend said my aura happens to be bright sapphire blue while my husband's is...bright ruby red! Hmmm.) Any color is good, I guess, except black, which means you're dead - or about to be.)

Date: Fri, April 12, 2002, 17:57:51
Posted by: hoops, Chicago

I've been in this convenience store several times and they have this radio station on all the ti me. It has this jingle that starts out like Elliott Randall's opening on "Reeli n' In the Years." Today, I caght that it was WLIT 93.something FM, diet pop sta tion. Anyone else in the Chicago area think this as well? It always grabs my e ar because I think they are starting to play "Reelin' "

This other new Chicago-area Classic rock station, The Drive, 97.1 FM has played "Dirty Work" and "Any World That I'm Welcome To." Maybe they own "The Steely Da n Story" compilation.

h

Date: Fri, April 12, 2002, 11:44:45
Posted by: Randy, NJ/USA

Numerous artists in the fields of music, film, photography, painting/fine arts have noted a decrease in the advancement of each genre. This is essentially due to a cultural stagnation that has permeated society for some time now. Many notable musicians have commented and said the same: Henley, Fagen, Becker, Paul Simon, Jackie McLean, Sonny Rollins, etc.

Nothing truly 'new' has happened in jazz (in terms of innovation) since Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" and the resulting birth of 'fusion.' Rock has not really had any advances since punk and new wave in the late seventies early eighties. But what of 'grunge' you say? Grunge was little more than a reiteration of the punk aesthetic, and less interesting: the frustration and disenfranchisement that permeated Britain's youth and spawned the Sex Pistols finally caught up with America's youth. There have been some innovations within rap and hip-hop, but most elements are overly derivative.

Film? Style over substance, advances purely in connection with technology/special effects, and little else. No one of the caliber of Stanley Kubrick or Alfred Hitchcock. The bottom line is the potential capital, not artistic advancement, and it HASN'T always been that way. Fine arts? Since Warhol (like him or not) there's been Mapplethorpe and not much else. Haring was more a fine art cartoonist than an artist with an individual/intellectual aesthetic like Pollock or Francis Bacon.

I've noted this previously, but Paul Simon said a few years ago that the quality of everything is eroding with the sole exception of technology. That assessment is truly on the mark. in years past there were great strides ("Sgt. Pepper," Bebop, Dada, "2001: A Space Odyssey") whereas now there are only slight variations and shades of grey differences between 'new' work(s) and what has gone before. We live in a disposeable, accelerated culture that has little time for nurturing, patience, understanding or development. At least there are still SOME musicians out there (Steely Dan) doing work that is of great quality and on par with their previous achievements. There are not many; take what you can find and absorb-

"Two against nature don't you know

Who's gonna grok the shape of things to go

Two against nature make them groan

Who's gonna break the shape of things unknown..."

- Steely Dan, 'Two Against Nature'

Randy

NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

Date: Fri, April 12, 2002, 07:33:26
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

I think there is some valid arguments there for correlating "The Royal Scam" and the glorification of "cultural garbage." I'm not sure how much intention there was in that metaphor, but it applies.

As for instances, read through the threads of the past week. In the context of contemporary music, there is so much crap that even what is mediocre is considered artful.

Or how about another genre. Movies for instance. "A Beautiful Mind" may have been the best movie out there for the past year, but when you are going up against the likes of "Zoolander" or <insert the latest stupid teen movie>, it looks like a great movie. It was so shamelessly manipulated that they left out huge character flaws with John Nash to preserve the commerciality (i.e. homosexuality, illegitimate son, anti-Semetic). Not to mention the movie was a worthless attempt to make Ron Howard an Oscar winner.

Of course, the final correlation drawn from "The Royal Scam" is the dumbing of society. Since we consider each new offering from the entertainment world to be "artistic," as quality drops, so does our expectations. We become robots, in effect listening to record/film execs that want to feed us the cheapest, easiest helping of entertainment available.

I'm not completely convinced "The Royal Scam" refers to this cultural evolution. But it's an interesting comparison to say the least.

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 21:29:32
Posted by: Paige, Santa Barbara

Beuatiful Housewife stated:

A societal phenomenon occuring in the post-World War II era in which the idea of holding up cultural garbage as art became a fairly

accepted notion by the unsuspecting masses. However, in the quarter-century which has elapsed since the recording of the song

"The Royal Scam" chronicled this tendency, it's common knowledge that in today's post-ironic society, garbage is still held up as

art, but people still admire it anyway.

I think that you will find the the intellectual appraoch top SD is largely ignored...which is too bad.

The Royal Scam is (at least for me) the apex of SD. It is considered as the "guitar" CD...that is that the harder rock too over. I miss this side of the Dan. I feel the anger, the rejection of the soul.

The garbage you speak of is almost an existential statement...

There is this notion that there is some grand plan...yet, we feel the randomness of our existence. The garbage is merely a part of that existence. It is truly random....the epoc of our times.

I understand you statement as a point of post-ironic example....

Having said that...it goes, for me, far beyond that. I simply find the disillulsion...pedestrian. It is felt at many levels and takes on many masks.

The music draws you in...

The words disturb you...

This is Steely Dan...at their finest.

-Paige

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 19:39:49
Posted by: Chris Eisold, Milwaukee

Hey everyone;

I wanted to remind everyone of the Dan Fan gathering in Milwaukee this Saturday night for a snow date of our March 2 Dan Fans' night out.

We're going to be at the Estate, same as planned last time.

There's a Map and all at Hoopses' Danfest site at http://www.dandom.com/danfests/milwaukee

Hope to see you there.

Chris and Tony

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 19:34:38
Posted by: Kato Kalin / Dumbshit Houseboy,

Hmmm....still thinking about that one from Housewife. I think I like the general gist as a hypothesis. Could be, but specific examples don't register. Explain?

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 15:57:16
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, philosophically distressed

As a public service, I will submit from time to time (that is, whenever I feel like it), little insights on living at large that I've learned from the Dan. I hope to share these with the Dandomites(unless I get an overwhelming response to just go back and sit down in my little corner and watch all you guys try to out-hip each other with your "pseudo-ahem" responses, at which time I will keep my mouth shut and smirk while I watch you stumble through it all!) so you can better appreciate the workings of ideas and intricacies found so deeply in these Steely Dan songs, which pseudo-intellectuals such as myself can appreciate.

DANDOM INSIGHT #1: THE ROYAL SCAM

A societal phenomenon occuring in the post-World War II era in which the idea of holding up cultural garbage as art became a fairly accepted notion by the unsuspecting masses. However, in the quarter-century which has elapsed since the recording of the song "The Royal Scam" chronicled this tendency, it's common knowledge that in today's post-ironic society, garbage is still held up as art, but people still admire it anyway.

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 11:49:07
Posted by: hoops,

Nothing to be ashamed of at all, Stevee. It's sounds like a great time! Glad you wrote. The Steely Damned are a fine band and I'm glad you are getting the opportunity to join them.

As suggested in the past couple of Dandom Digests, everyone who attends these things has a great time, develops some great friendships and has a lot of fond memories. So if you can be in So. Cal. tomorrow, try and get over. I'm not sure how active the San Diego Danfest list will be before then since St Al and other seem to be away from the net, but if you Email Ed Beatty (see one his posts below) or check out http://www.steelydamned.com , you can get info.

Looking forward to forward to reading about the great time in all the usual Steely Dan Faqn venues.

Milwaukee is also having a Danfest Saturday night. Get to http://www.dandom.com/danfests for more info.

Sadly, I can't make either of these due to work and family commitments :-(

Ahyhoo, have a great time—looking forward to the stories of revelry.

hoops

Date: Thurs, April 11, 2002, 03:53:54
Posted by: Steveedan, LA to San Diego in Record Time ...

Hello Hoops and everyone here ...

MY MOST S H A M E L E S S .. P L U G G I N G ... EVER !!!

(Well, at least until that still under wraps band of mine gets going ...)

Yes that's right ladies and gentlemen !!!

It is time to promote the San Diego Dan Fest this Friday, April 12, 2002.

Appearing live at the Kon Tiki Room (located upstairs from the Cannibal Bar) at the Catamaran Hotel it's the two premier bands from San Diego,

Rockola and The Steely Damned - both fronted by our very own lovebob, Mr. Bob Tedde. It's going to be a double bill like none other that has been seen before.

I have been given clearance from Mr. Tedde himself to inform you all of the following development ...

Your very own Steveedan (hey, that's me !!!) will be playing with The Steely Damned at the start of the evening.

I just have to keep icing my bruised head after smacking it on the table as I was fainting when I got the news that Bob was extending an invitation to me to play the first set with The Steely Damned.

I want you all to join me in thanking Bob Tedde and Company for making this very special arrangement with the Catamaran Hotel to put on this night of entertainment for all those who are traveling from near and far to be in San Diego on Friday.

And I also want to take this opportunity to humbly thank Bob and The Steely Damned for giving me this privilege to play with them. My cup truly runneth over ... and is staining our new carpet.

I better go. I have to clean it up before the wife finds out ...

Please try to make San Diego. It is going to be a great memorable evening.

To all, the very best ...

Steveedan

Date: Wed, April 10, 2002, 19:15:17
Posted by: Robert Bork, @ the HEMP-tons

Heard: Dude, let's called "Statue-tory Rope" - get it??

Date: Wed, April 10, 2002, 16:51:17
Posted by: Heard about the whole affair,

I feel a Steely Dan-inspired song coming on.

ConCEpTuAL OuTLiNe:

Verse one: Bloomberg enjoyed pot.

Verse two: Bork had a bong under his robe

Refrain topic: But John Ashcroft doan like dat Lady Justice bossom over his head. It make him crazy and go do statue.

(Needs a shit load of work.)

Date: Wed, April 10, 2002, 16:25:19
Posted by: Robert Bork, Haahhhvahd Yahd

you should have seen the size of the bongs I could fit under my robe...

Date: Wed, April 10, 2002, 16:07:24
Posted by: Roach Klip,

Mayor Bloomberg: "I enjoyed pot."

Mr. Steely Dan whatevah: "I was smokin' with the boys upstairs....."

Maybe both guys are not so bad after all.

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 18:27:18
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,

Rick ,just because I don't agree with whatever you think is funny doesn't mean I don't have a sense of humor.

And Earl, I can be just as sarcastic as the next person,and I have been,and also I'm definitely not apart of the PC bunch.

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 16:38:30
Posted by: father william,

Isn't there some confusion about Libby's blackness? Didn't she appear as Fatima with Ray Stevens in "Ahab the Arab"

"Wearing rings on her fingers and bells on her toes

And a bone in her nose ho, ho." Maybe that was during her Afro days.

Ahab the Arab lyrics are at:

http://www.raystevens.com/SongLyrics/AhabLyrics.html

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 15:53:18
Posted by: Beautiful Housewife, Deep Distress

Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to send Libby a greeting card expressing my compliments to her on her choice of the half-acre of hair extensions she was sporting at the awards. Probably to cover up the bald spots she gets from tearing her hair out from living with Donald. I missed the dress, though. Did anyone catch the designer?

According to her website, she did sport an Afro throughout much of the 70's, so I could see where there might be some confusion.

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 13:03:50
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Hoops, can't agree w/ you more. That was my general point..probably didn't sculpt it quite so eloquently. Sometimes you need to portray idiocy to afford awareness. (ref. All in the Family)

Hope you get to feeling better dude.

Earl

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 11:35:01
Posted by: hoops,

First of all, if I were African American, I probably would have a hard time tolerating bullshit remarks, let alone abuse. At the same time, I think Steely Dan's brand of humor is a secret weapon against just that. I think it's great that Gypsy and Stevee reminded us of an important perspective (racism) that is foreign to Steely Dan fans. (I don't think I've ever met a racist Steely Dan fan.) That's one side of it—kinda like when Cousin Janine says, "Maybe it's the skeevy look in your eye or your mind has turned to applesause." (Couldn't there be a better phrase than "applesause"? Oh yeah, the censors wouldn't allow, "Maybe it's the skeevy look in your eye or maybe you're just a jackass with a tiny dick.")

Anyhow, SD often exaggerates their characters' political incorrectness to drive home how ignorant such types can be.

A black guy who is a friend of mine wears this t-shirt that says, "No, white lady, I don't want to steal your purse." I thought SteelyFact's remark about the nosebone was in the same spirit. As such I thought the thread hysterical, picturing Libby Titus and others in nosebones. Which leads me to my final question: I couldn't buy the nosebone at the '92 and '93 shows. Anyone seen one on eBay?

h

(Man, been sick and busy, but have like 20 posts I need to finish.)

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 07:54:25
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

It's funny how someone can be a fan of a band which couldn't be much farther from politically correct, but then be so sensitive about a sarcastic comment. I'm sure there was nothing meant by the "bone" comment, except to prove the silliness of the rumor spread by Andrew's friend.

To further converse about PC, does anyone feel that parody is becoming a lost art with the increases sensitivity w/ regards to political correctness? I think parody and sarcasm are two integral parts of political speech, something that's protected by the Constitution. But we're getting so sensitive (I don't agree w/ the hurtful use of language, but in a tasteful way things can be discussed while still getting the point across) that even relatively tactful uses of parody can be red-flagged by the PC bunch.

And finally, for the Gypsy Queen's sake, I have actually heard that Libby Fagen has had plastic surgery to remove that unsightly bone from her nose.

Earl

Date: Tues, April 09, 2002, 00:32:13
Posted by: Rick,

not a lot of sense of humor apparently

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 19:09:38
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,

"black singer with a bone in her nose"?- Is that supposed to be funny?

I am a BLACK woman and it seems like someone is attempting to make a racial slur.

What the hell is going on here?

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 14:04:18
Posted by: Kenny Vance lives !,

Lets vote for the "Fagens" on VH-1 !

Ozzy is just like Donald....both 53/54 years old....

both walk like Frankenstein (lurching)....both are

over-medicated...

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 12:16:50
Posted by: Bill Flanagan,

The Fagen's? What a great fucking idea! I'm calling VH-1 right away! I can see it now...The camera switches to Donald passed out like a zombie on the couch. At the same time, Libby is running all around NYC spending all of his money. Next scene: Libby to Donald: "The credit cards are maxed out" Donald: "You mean we have to tour again? Call Walter"

What a concept!

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 11:56:42
Posted by: Kenny Vance lives !,

Now that MTV has the "Osbournes", a show about

Ozzy Osbourne and his profanity-laden dysfunctional

family, can VH-1 have a show about the "Fagens" ?

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 09:42:28
Posted by: whoops McFan,

Yes, as a matter of fact, Libby's nosebone on those tours was Steely Dan's first attempt at shameless product placement of tour memorbilia. Steely Dan nose-bones were sold at the concession stands that year. They came in three scrumptious colours including "licorice," "eggplant," and of course, "bone." I still wear mine! No wonder my dog's always lickin' my face!

Maybe they should have also sold "Stevie Chillers" too.

whoops!

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 05:09:57
Posted by: Steveedan, Just Out of the Jungle

Libby Titus was the black singer in the middle with a bone through her nose ?!?

Wasn't she also barefoot, wearing ill-matching rags and had a raised-up dual pony tails hairstyle. Suga Babe ...

Momma's little baby loves shortnin' bread ...

(Imagine an R. Crumb illustration of the above ...)

Moms Mabley

Date: Mon, April 08, 2002, 00:47:51
Posted by: Steely Dan Fact,

Andrew- You're correct my friend. Libby was the black women in the middle. The one with the bone through her nose.

Date: Sun, April 07, 2002, 22:24:55
Posted by: Dave,

Libby Titus was involved in organizing the New York Rock and Soul Revue. She did not perform, tho. She is caucasian.

Here's one for you. There's a photo of Walter Becker getting slugged in the 11 Tracks of Whack CD booklet. Do you think he was really getting belted or was he acting or posing?

Dave

Date: Sun, April 07, 2002, 18:01:32
Posted by: Andrew Clark, Dayton, Ohio

A friend of mine says that Libby Titus was part of the New York Rock and Roll Revue. Specifically, she was one of the African-American back-up singers on that tour plus 1993. I disagree.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Thanx.

Andy

Date: Sun, April 07, 2002, 10:30:49
Posted by: Peg, Mowing the back 40

Re: Madonna...Back in the late 80s she had an album out (the one with Papa Don't Preach) that I wore out from playing, cause it was just fun music! She has recorded some good tunes and she knows how to maximize her talents. But as others have already observed here, her public image all seemed calculated to get attention...even if self-exploitation has been necessary to get it. And you can't tell which public image is real cause it has changed year by year (maybe none of them have been real), and maybe that's the way she wants it. In 2001 she worked real hard to put out a video in which she was a cowgirl. This year, who knows.

Cheers,

~Peg

Date: Sun, April 07, 2002, 01:00:54
Posted by: oleander, nearer my damned to thee

Big Ed--I am totally there. Save the last dance for me.

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 13:57:26
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,

Blah Blah Blah.....There are plenty of INTELLIGENT people(including me)who have been known to get down or sing along to a Madonna tune,and I'm proud of it!

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 13:51:12
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale,

So Randy,basically I have NO intellect!!!!!!!!!

And Sheryl Crow can be pretty boring at times.

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 12:38:40
Posted by: Ahhh, Peg!,

Peg, I've seen Cincinnati!

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 12:18:59
Posted by: ed, @homemyself at last

Oleander,

Are you knocking on my door or thereabouts next week?

SteelyDammed are you?

ed

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 11:47:26
Posted by: oleander, home at last

Hoops!--Aw man, they said they were high school friends of yours! Anyway, don't they work together?

Date: Sat, April 06, 2002, 10:38:43
Posted by: Peg, Snowed under in Sinsinnati

Hi,ya'all,

Been catching up on my reading and in my ASCAP magazine I find a photo of "Steely Dan's Donald Fagen and his wife, songwriter Libby Titus" (alongside Martha Wainwright, as ASCAP guy, Kate McGarrigle, and Teddy Thompson) taken at an ASCAP performance in NYC called "ASCAP Presents Up Close at Makor." It says they were at performances by singer-songwriters that were "recent" (considering how old the magazine is, recent probably means January). Anyway, it made me wonder if anybody out there who looks at the Bluebook and knows NYC might know...What is Makor? Is it an arena or club or what? Second, the article says that performers there were James Talley, Sid Selvidge, Martha Wainwright and Tim Moore. Talley does folky blues and so does Selvidge. Moore writes pop, sortof. Wainwright is the daughter of Loudon Wainwright III. Any fellow Dan fans who would have a clue as to Libby and Donald's their interest in such?

Can't resist a Madonna comment -- Gotta admit that she is always reinventing herself. (For better or worse...!)

Cheers to all,

~Peg

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 11:53:07
Posted by: Big Fan, CT

I've been out of the SD loop for awhile and certainly haven't looked at either color board for 6 months or more - any good news?

Thought I'd try out this board with some links referencing SD from recent articles:

http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=ICXW5NXGSIPUMCRBAEOCFFAKEEARMIWD?type=entertainmentnews&StoryID=750686

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-04-04-mayer.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/53357.html

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12613

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 11:43:34
Posted by: hoops, Chi-town

Came across a new Steely Dan cover band, this one in the Chicago area. In fact, the only one I'm aware of in the Chicago area.

The band's name is Katy Lied. They're playing Saturday, April 20th at Harry's, 1 N. Vail St., Arlington Heights.

They have a website, http://www.katylied.tv , and it includes a link to an intro/overview of the band. It's a little long but pretty good, a perspective skewed by the fact that I'm listening on my PowerBook's built-in speakers.

Their lead vocalist and keyboardist, Bob Blum, gave me a call—seems like a great guy and is hoping anyone and everyone can attend on the 20th.

I plan to be there to check 'em out. Hope you can too.

h

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 10:37:27
Posted by: Sean Penn,

Good points, Randy. But let's all not forget everything Madonna's brought to suburban faux boudoir couture, not to mention the transvestite scene. What a contribution to the world!

Whew! Thank G-d D+W aren't caught up in that crap!

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 10:13:53
Posted by: Randy, NJ/USA

So as not to have anything misconstrued, when I wrote the following in the post below

"Madonna can really only be noted as a very shrewd businesswoman. Her only really notable influence was on the concept of 'celebrity.' She took full control of her image and career in an excessively sexist industry and changed the approach to 'celebrity' (which I for one am not at all impressed with)"

the part I am 'not impressed with' is WHAT SHE DID WITH the concept of celebrity, not the fact that she was able to take control of it in a sexist industry (THAT of course should always be applauded)-

"(Now) drink your big, black cow and get out of here..."

Randy

NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 10:03:55
Posted by: Randy, NJ/USA

Chimin' in with a pertinent angle-

Madonna can really only be noted as a very shrewd businesswoman. Her only really notable influence was on the concept of 'celebrity.' She took full control of her image and career in an excessively sexist industry and changed the approach to 'celebrity' (which I for one am not at all impressed with). She certainly didn't listen to any record execs about what music to record or whatever else because she didn't have to, as their motivation was the same - commercial, popular music. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing that advanced rock or pop. Just something they could tag her concept of image and celebrity onto, and of course one supported the other and the kiddies ate it up. The whole concept was manipulated to further the whole package: 'controversial' videos, books, lyrics, all of which were fairly tedious, shallow, and uninteresting to anyone with any concept of intellect.

The result? Fame (a hollow and narcissistic goal at best) and fortune (the whole point of existence in a money dominated society). All of this from someone who claims to be proud to have done it all in the name of 'womanhood.' Most of the women I know and admire have not felt compelled to say 'thank you.' I just wish women more incredible than Madonna were celebrated for more notable things.

From a sociological standpoint, I think she probably did more damage than good to the 'women's movement' (if you still want to call it that). Some say that's not the case because she altered the way women could empower themselves in a male-dominated, sexist culture, but I disagree. Many boys (and boys who are now men, or probably still boys depending on how you see things) still see women as sex objects and little more than images of style rather than substance and I think Madonna is partially responsible for that. Madonna is smart, but hardly interesting, which is what she tries so desperately to be. Considered as an actual 'musician' she is irrelevant: drum machines and sequencers, with little else to speak of.

For a sense of perspective, she has neither the (musical) talent, taste, or class of someone like Joni Mitchell, Rickie Lee Jones, or even Sheryl Crow. She is a celebrity and a businesswoman who happens to record commercial music and make commercial films. Who has arrived in her wake? Mariah Carey and Brittany Spears. Are there two other humans with less substance who better fit the definition of 'bimbo'?

Keep in mind that all of this is coming from the world's leading feminist after Gloria Steinem, Camille Paglia, and Alan Alda(!) Most anyone coming from that background has little recourse to feel differently.

Part of rock's whole concept is that 'pop' doesn't have to be mindless; but of course if there is an audience for mindlessness (and there is an ENORMOUS one), then someone will deliver that (tenfold).

"Drink your big black cow and get out of here..."

Randy

NIGHTFLY62@aol.com

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 03:39:11
Posted by: Gina, Maastricht Very Mucho Sunny Mountain

On the yellow there was this thread about Dannered comedians and i couldn't help but think of Frasier, but no clue there was a REAL Dan-connection there ... more than one, given the fact Kelsey/Frasier shares Maui with WB :-)

Very nice!

Have a good weekend everyone,

G.

Date: Fri, April 05, 2002, 01:54:22
Posted by: Mr.Sticks,

Come Celebrate the return of the Indy cars to Long Beach f or the grand Prix, next weekend, Saturday, April 13.2001.

After a long day at the track, Join Steely Fan Band at DiPiazza's Lounge for an evening of great music!

8:00pm showtime featuring:Highway 61 Re

itedHighway 61 Revi

hedHighway 61 Revisited- Bob Dylan Tribute

Steely Fan Band-Steely Dan

Led Zepland-Led Zeppelin

DiPiazza's Located at 5205 East Pacific Coast Highway(At Anaheim Blvd.),Long Beach, Ca.

Thanks!

Date: Thurs, April 04, 2002, 23:21:17
Posted by: angel,

For those who never mix their primary colors....

How bout a kiss....

http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/angel2.html

Date: Thurs, April 04, 2002, 19:09:50
Posted by: W1P, LA

Wonderful info Pete. BTW, I'm starting to get a little scared -- did my package make it to you? Maybe I sent it to the wrong address? Let me know.

Date: Thurs, April 04, 2002, 13:17:32
Posted by: ed, near the Steely dammed

Hey,

no problems now

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/04/04/marrying.cousins.ap/index.html

Date: Wed, April 03, 2002, 20:14:14
Posted by: hoops,

[ Sorry to be so scare...really busy at work. Several cool threads. Can't wait to get time to throw in my 2 cents. What a perspective Pete...thanks for EVERYTHING. ]

Hey O.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! You turned me in...to the MAFIA *and* The Fedz! :-) I'm so pissed! ;-) Actually, kiddo, I 've been just sending email with you and I bet you are just doing phone and web. We'll catch up soon!

In fact, looking forward to catching up with everyone, SOON.

h

Date: Wed, April 03, 2002, 19:10:42
Posted by: Cousin Dupree,

Hey "Disturbed" lady from the VH-1 Storytellers show:

NEWS HEADLINE:

No Genetic Reason to Discourage Cousin Marriage, Study Finds

By DENISE GRADY

Contrary to widely held beliefs, first cousins can safely have children together, scientists are reporting today.

http://www.nytimes.com

Date: Wed, April 03, 2002, 14:53:03
Posted by: oleander, west of Denver

Pete--WOW!! Another incredible story! Please keep 'em coming.

Hoops!--hoping for forgiveness... or something....

Hey to all from the spectacular Rockies!

Date: Wed, April 03, 2002, 08:30:10
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

That camera work was a shame. I will tell you, though, what they do show is pretty awesome. And the high-quality sound of the music itself is probably the main reason to get that video/DVD, except maybe for Pete's interviews (haha). Did they ever hit you in the head with that boom?

Mahoney's a quality actor to say the least. It would be interesting to know how many other Dan fans there are in Hollywood. With how much ass-kissing the Hollywood media gives to acts like Britney Spears et al, it would be nice to know if they were really as shallow as they sometimes appear.

Earl

Date: Wed, April 03, 2002, 00:28:22
Posted by: John Garofalo, New Haven, Conn.

Incredible information, Pete!

I also noticed the solos didn't match what was being shown. It's still great to watch and listen to. Maybe the next record will give them the opportunity to make another DVD.

It was nice to meet you and Hoops before the Hartford show. Thanks for all both of you do for the fans. Hope it's not too long before the next tour and album and the chance to meet again.

John

Date: Tues, April 02, 2002, 20:39:16
Posted by: Pete,

Hoops, Happy Anniversary! Great Job! I know how much you put into this... you should be committed, I mean commended... oh, just kidding. You're the Man!!

I just wanted to comment on a couple of threads:

Regarding the piece someone posted about Roger Nichols being frustrated with the shooting during the Plush Jazz show:

The director had asked me for help with the show --- conducting interviews, helping with behind the scenes stuff, etc. After the first couple of days of rehearsals, I noticed that the director was only vaguely familiar with the music (who was taking solos etc). I mentioned this a couple of times to him, and he asked if I would write down the solos in each song and who was playing them... I did this. He asked if I would sit in the control room with him and help direct the shooting, which I did on the first night. During this first show, I realized that he was not using any of the sheets I or anyone else had prepared for them. Rather, there was a woman with a notebook of sheetmusic counting off bars... literally, by the book. It was very frustrating watching them going by notes and having no feel for how the songs went. I don't know why they didn't use any of the cues I, Roger, or anyone else gave them, but once I saw they were doing it their own way, I figured there was no need for me to sit in the control room for the second night of shooting, and instead, I enjoyed the show from the audience. I know exactly where Roger was coming from.....They asked for input, yet never used it.

Oleander mentioned John Mahoney singing "Rikki" in "Say Anything". John was actually a subscriber to Metal Leg, and he used to stay at the Mayflower Hotel when I was a bartender there. John is a Steely Dan fanatic and would always stop by for a drink. One night we were talking about him singing along to "Rikki" in the movie, and he said that he was given a few choices of which song would be playing during that scene. He said that he made the director use "Rikki", and in fact, refused to do the scene unless "Rikki" was used. I haven't seen or spoken with John since 1995, but everytime I see him on Frasier, it makes me think of Steely Dan.

Date: Mon, April 01, 2002, 18:26:56
Posted by: ., .

wednesday at 6:15 EST pat metheny will be interviewed live on CNN HEADLINE NEWS. they are taping the PMG during soundcheck earlier in the day. international watchers of CNN might want to check in with their local CNN bureau to see if they are going to run this story internationally.

they will record about 2 minutes of a song at soundcheck. the song is to be determined by pat tonight. the anchor is alisha davis, their entertainment reporter. this will be for a segment called frontrow.

this is for CNN HEADLINE NEWS. they will probably rerun the segment on CNN when they run other news items.

Date: Mon, April 01, 2002, 09:47:06
Posted by: Earl, Delaware

Because it's something that they obviously enjoy doing. They have consistently produced music that (from all appearances) pleases their individual tastes. Thus you would think that recording new music would be refreshing for them, almost a hobby that pays.

Granted it's April Fool's Day, so I'm taking your comments with a grain of salt. That being said, what makes anyone think that Tiger Woods will play at the Masters? Pedro Martinez will pitch tonight for the Red Sox? George Bush will run for Prez in 2004? All of these are things that are most likely to happen, and have basis in printed fact, but you could argue that in extreme cases they might fall through. Tiger might decide he has enough money, Pedro may have a hangover, and George could have problems during the last part of this term. The point is that they could always throw up their hands and say "Enough," but that's not like them. They obviously enjoy writing/recording more than touring, so generating a new album probably makes them very happy.

Earl

Date: Mon, April 01, 2002, 07:46:41
Posted by: Some Joker,

Now here's a thought for April Fools Day.

We keep hearing that at least three songs for a new Steely Dan album are in the can, as ifany Steely Dan recording is ever "in the can" before it is released. But what makes everyone think they will ever finish it? What motivation do they have to get done? With TAN, they had the push for the Hall of Fame, to prove that they could do it one more time, make DVDs, etc. But what about this time? Does Steely Dan really have anything new to say? What makes everyone think they have a compelling reason to finish, or at the very least, why shouldn't they take their own sweet Steely time?

2010. At the earliest?

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