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MARCH 2002 BlueBook Entries
Date: Sun, March 31, 2002, 22:34:21
Me, Myself and Irene was a new twist on some old favs. Nice to get a different take, but none as good as the Dan's. Joe Jackson's King of The World is one of the few Dan covers that can compete with the original. Joe actually takes it somewhere new.
See you around!
Date: Sun, March 31, 2002, 20:55:15
Date: Sun, March 31, 2002, 13:46:48
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 20:56:47
I found a old bootleg tape of Madonna that I got in Southeast Asia about 15 years ago and gave it a spin-I was still sick of it after all these years. Ditto for my old Duran Duran lp's. To me, that's the tell-tale sign of rampant commercialism: the inability of the music to transcend time. Now, pulling out "Can't Buy A Thrill", on the other hand......
Aja
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 14:01:32
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 13:24:35
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 13:19:25
The Me, Myself, & Irene soundtrack is a bit disappointing, but then again, look at the bands/musicians covering the material. I agree that Setzer's Bodhisattva was about the best cover on the CD, but there is nothing new brought to the material. Funny movie though.
I have an obscure CD called "Guitar's Practicing Musicians" and on it is a cover of Bodhisttva that is phenominal. Lots of new twists and even a piano solo in it.
And on Prince ... does anyone remember an awards show where Prince was wearing these yellow (or gold) pants with the seat removed? When he turned around he had this very large hole in the seat of his pants with fringes. I know I didn't dream (or more appropriately, nightmare) this memory.
And for our Los Angeles-proximate readers ... The Doctor Wu band is playing in Hollywood tonight at the Whisky-A-Go-Go at 8 PM. Admission is $12, or with a downloadable coupon it's $10. Many of us Steely Dan tribute band people will be there to cheer Wu on. Angel, can you come to this one?
Also, at 9 PM in Calabasas, Which One's Pink? is playing at the Canyon Club. They always put on a great show.
My still-under-wraps Steely Dan tribute band has just completed a beautifully engineered track for inclusion on the Technicolor Motorhome 2002 compilation CD. For those of you who might be interested in this sort of thing, I invite you to check it out.
Have a great weekend, and Happy Easter, and Happy Passover everyone.
Steveedan
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 12:50:49
And congrats on 9 years Jim, good going mate.
Date: Sat, March 30, 2002, 06:16:55
What gets to spend its birthday in Spain?
Thanks for nine years of Dandom!
Date: Fri, March 29, 2002, 17:20:54
For those of you who ARE Tracy Chapman fans, today is her birthday. She turns 38!
Yes, Madonna lives the dream of women who wish to be powerful and be accompanied by male bimbos.
The line about Prince never making a porno reminded me of a joke. "Thanks for sending me the pornographic birthday card. But I don't have a pornograph to play it on."
Hoops is right. Me, Myself and Irene is a fun one-off. Not worth buying though. Maybe you could borrow a copy from the library or something to try it on.
Billy Wilder, very Steely. Uncle Milty, not Steely. Dudley, sorta Steely.
Have a great weekend! T.G.I.F.!!!
Mich
Date: Fri, March 29, 2002, 16:21:00
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 23:00:54
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 18:10:13
Now my nephew, who was 13 when it came out, really dug these, and although he wanted a copy of the CD, he really didn't care for the original versions by Steely Dan. Since then he has changed his opinion of the original SD versions, but for other reasons.
"Do It Again" - Smash Mouth
"Any Major Dude Will Tell You" - Wilco
"Only A Fool Would Say That" - Ivy
"Bodhisattva" - Brian Setzer Orchestra
"Bad Sneakers "- The Push Stars
"Reelin' In The Years" - Marvelous 3
"Razor Boy "- Billy Goodrum
"Barrytown "- Ben Folds Five
I think it's a passing curiosity for the hard-core Dan Fan. If I didn't have "Glengarry Glen Ross" Soundtrack, I'd get that way before.
Strictly my two piasters.
h
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 17:43:49
Thaanks Dano.
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 15:26:10
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 11:36:28
At the same time, she's a folkie and if had never gotten that record contract in the 1980's, she would still be doing what she loves—playing music. Only she'd be still playing the subway stations of NYC. Granted, I'm not up on on her story or all her recordings, but there's a certain simplicity and genuine quality to her music. I don't ever get the impression she's in it for the money first. When "Fast Car" got played on mainstream radio in 1988, it was pretty refreshing in a lot of ways compared to the synth shit being played on the radio then. To play devil's advocate, her music might be knee-jerk liberal social commentary with simple commentary, but from my view sure beats the hell out of knee-jerk ho-crap.
Back on the Madonna thing; the few elements I do like about Madonna recordings have nothing to do with Madonna and are the result of the talents she brings in to prop up her record. For example: "Like A Virgin" is a shit song but Nile Rodgers brought in an awesome groove on that, next to nothing to do with Madonna's part in that recording. Take that one step further...I'm sure Steely Dan didn't hire Ricky Lawson to recreate Whitney Houston's sound, but they hired him because they were wow'ed by the element Ricky brought to her music. Seems I recall an interview with Fagen circa 1976 and "The Fezz" where he said some to the effect that Steely Dan hated disco but did seek to recreate disco's penchant for a very sharp and punchy sound.
h
Date: Thurs, March 28, 2002, 10:28:21
Earl
Date: Wed, March 27, 2002, 20:45:34
Speaking of, yeah, Hoopsie, it was about time Randy Newman won, especially after they should have given it to him ages ago, at least for The Natural, if nothing else.
Cheers,
~Peg
Date: Wed, March 27, 2002, 17:44:56
Dudley Moore passed away today at age 66. He died of a deasease similar to Parkinsons. This deserves mention here since in 1975, he was married to Tuesday Weld and had a son by her. She was his second of four wives. You could say, Dudley had a touch of Tuesday Weld, and then some.
See ya later!
Mich
P.S. How come no one's brought up Tracy Chapman as a great woman singer/songwriter?
Date: Wed, March 27, 2002, 16:13:07
Regarding Prince being porn or not; How about the time Prince was performing on TV, glancing his index finger up his crotch and zipper and then putting his finger in his mouth. Good taste? perhaps?
I guess back then , his artistic message was spiritual healing through fulfilling one's kinkiest fantasies and now he's apparently found Jesus.
But I'd say artistry—his idea of it—take priority over the cash.
But I don't think this is a snooty thread. It's a discussion of selling out and having your art take back seat to making money. And sure, there's some give and take.
Date: Wed, March 27, 2002, 08:44:44
Madonna made a porno (or pretty darned close). She's a sellout. She did whatever she could to make a buck. She listened to the record label when they told her to do a particular type of music since it would sell. She has put out garbage from her first album on.
I'm sure that sounds like one of those snooty Steely Dan opinions. There are mainstream musicians that I like, but Madonna isn't one of them.
Earl
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 23:56:12
The pins are out! Buzzy Linhart had the 3 pins removed from his broken finger
this week and began physical therapy. The medical staff thinks he should
have good recovery with physical therapy, but he can't expect to play
guitar again for quite a while.
So, The show is ON! Monday April 22, 7:30 PM & 10:30 PM
The Bottom Line Cabaret in Greenwich Village, Manhattan, will host a
star-studded Buzzy Benefit! We will probably add a few more performers
and have surprise guests, but for now, the CONFIRMED line-up includes :
Performances:
David Amram, Village Jazz Cat
Orchestra
Tributes:
Eddie Kramer, Record Producer (Buzzy, Hendrix, Zeppelin, etc.)
Bob Fass, W-BAI Disc Jockey
Please forward this to anyone who might be interested including
journalists, dj's, and other media professionals. Contact info:
Moogy: moogy@moogyking.aol
Buzzy/Xeno: xeno@m4mmj.org, or 510-414-5214
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 23:23:34
Shame, Great Nations of Europe, Life Isn't Fair, and I'm Dead (But I Don't Know It) are classic Randy...
Number of musical Insturments played:
Prince: 18
Zamphir: 1
Madonna: Insert you own joke here...
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 23:15:49
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 19:44:38
In a variation on a theme, hoops, I had similar thoughts on the way to the bus this am re: Madonna. And to further your point, one of the two songs of hers ("Crazy for You") that I like was recorded as a movie soundtrack, whose title escapes me.
Also keep in mind that we are looking at these "musicians" in the context of today's wired society, which lends itself to all kinds of apples to oranges comparisons. It is very difficult to compare Madonna/Prince to the likes of a jazz/blues performer of another age, more than likely because we have been bombarded with images of these performers by means of radio, television and now, electronic media. The greats of by-gone times were not the subjects of constant scrutiny and, for that reason, perhaps were more inclined to focus on perfection of their art, as opposed to, well, other attributes.
Randy Newman is a talent, as well as a hoot. Seems to me that his Oscar win can be viewed in a similar light to SD's Grammy success. I mean, do we really think it matters to 'em? (And on a lighter note, I think I'd rather NOT win an award for a song with John Goodman doing vocals, but perhaps that feature just showcases the song itself.)
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 18:48:02
In other words, she's broken new ground for women by being her own pimp rather than rely on other men to pimp her and take all the money.
The facets of Madonna recordings that I like—and there are a few, but not many—are the result of the talents of others she brings in to help her record. In other words, she's often shrewed enough to surround herself with the latest and more talented to get better product. Her artistry lies with being a business woman and celeb and her music is driven by fame and fortune first. Ditto Cher.
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It was great to see Randy Newman get an Oscar. I was reading about him in the New York Times this morning. I didn't realize that his involvement with film can be traced back to his father and that Newman has been writing for films since the 1960's. When they spoke of Randy's singing and penchant for ragtime, it made me think of Becker and Beasley's "Mose The Fireman." In fact, it made me ponder: if Becker wanted to go out solo from Steely Dan without doing another solo album like "11Tracks of Whack," I think he would be tremedous writing music for film.
h
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 18:08:58
Ayanna
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 17:34:56
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 17:31:31
The problem is, many people who dislike Steely Dan have reviewed the disc and given it the lowest ranking. I'm fine with people who don't like our boys, but c'mon, rank the quality of the disc and don't make it personal. My brother has the disc, and he says it is outstanding and amazing, incredible sound.
If you can, take the time to send a review to this site, and up the average ranking by giving it a "5" rating, which I did. Down with these losers who don't like The Dan.
- Randy
Randy Reichardt
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 12:46:20
Then tell me he was't a real musician or was a substandard performer.
Date: Tues, March 26, 2002, 10:12:31
Granted, she's better than most of the female robots they've hired. I guess I should go easier on the women; if you look at the male side of the music biz, most artists have sold out. Lenny Kravitz, Springsteen, U2, In Stink (the list goes on and on) have all toed the corporate line. So I guess the question is why should women make good music that doesn't sell when most male acts sell out?
Earl
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 18:38:45
When she started out,she wasn't exactly a great singer,but she has improved over the years.
She writes and co-produces some of her stuff now.
And Truth or Dare is quite enjoyable,could you imagine a world without Madonna,she certainly livens
things up.
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 18:23:30
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Needwess to say, the chawette went incwedably fwom then on. Hopefoowee, the same will happen to you.
[ The Deadline to get your Steely Charrette entry is fast approaching on Monday April 1, 2002. Since a charette features ideas quickly sketched or jotted down, there’s still time to get going. See http://www.flathat.net/charettte or email Oleander and hoops toegether at charette@flathat.netfor more details. ]
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 15:13:59
Cher's popularity may be disproportionate to her actual talent, but at least her beauty is authentic. Then again, I must be farshnoshket.
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 08:40:43
I was watching a documentary this morning about Dolly Parton, and I made a point to my wife. Can anyone name a DOG (i.e. unattractive in any way) in country or pop music? Dolly Parton made the comment that she may not have been as talented as some, but she had a lot of energy. That's bullogna. The only reason Parton, Cher, Mariah, Faith Hill, Shania Twain, Janet Jackson, etc (the list is endless) get played is because they look good. I'd like to know how many wonderfully talented overweight female singers there are, and how many of them get national publicity compared to the number of adequately-talented but "beautiful" female singers. The only overweight singer I can think of is Ann Wilson (oh, maybe Carnie Wilson but she wasn't the reason Wilson Phillips got airplay). And Ann Wilson was/is a very attractive lady in my book.
Well, my point is that women have hung their hats on acts like Madonna, that should try to trailblaze for woman's rights in the music business. Madonna has a record label. But she doesn't look for women that are innovative; instead she does like every other label and pick up artists that are going to make her a buck.
Women artists need to decide that they are going to pry their way into mainstream music, but do it in a way where they don't compromise their ideals for the almighty dollar. I think that the problem is that you'll always have a Jennifer Lopez, a beautiful woman who has ABSOLUTELY NO talent whatsoever, that can be produced to the point of perfection in the studio. If women would recognize that acts like Lopez, Carey, and Britney are damaging women with their facade, and quit buying their music, then you might see a change. But record execs aren't going to change if the sales are there. They're going to give women what they want. If they buy Celine Dion's garbage, the execs are going to find another Celine Dion to give you. Plain and simple.
Earl
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 06:59:02
for starters and for the lazy ones :-)
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 06:56:10
off now, have a nice Monday all.
G.
Date: Mon, March 25, 2002, 00:34:02
I know *I* was first moved in 1972 when she sang "Gypsies, Hoops, and Chimpanzees."
It's about following Steely Dan around from show to show, right? A microcosm of society. Epic like Dylan and Steinbeck, that Cher is, I tell you!
Schoop, Schoop, Schoop
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 22:34:56
p
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 22:03:00
hey, i was hanging at the mojo boards , the brits in here will know that place and ou too snowbound and steveedan, anyway, they are running a thread about what tunes you blast on a springy warm day and gypsy, check it out, coincidentally someone posted this:
Bucolic old Sir Henry
Pillar Of The Community
Member # 51
posted 25 March 2002 01:23 AM
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Stupidly Happy - XTC
Lazy Sunday Afternoon - Small Faces
Sunny Afternoon - Kinks
Stoned Soul Picnic - Laura Nyro
Glastonbury Revisited - Cosmic Rough Riders
Do It Again - Beach Boys
Paula's Room - Jimm and the Boxes (MOJO5)
Feelin Alright - Traffic
(from the CDs in the office)
(And yesterday was pretty good down here - 80F, not a cloud in sight, Wayne Mason playing at our wine and food festival...)
and excellent choice by laura
my list for the thread was an "album" listing:
b-52's - cosmic thing
echo & the bunnymen - reverberations
getz/gilberto - self titled, really crank the girl from ipanema
anything by the police
rem - out of time
steely dan - 2 against nature
the the - soul mining
with spring upon us perhaps in new england, this is a pretty good thread - anyone else?
the thread, btw, is at http://ubb2.mojo4music.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002615
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 17:54:00
Lou Marini Horn Flute
Eric McKain Percussion
Gene Orloff Strings
Sue Pray Strings
Bernard "Pretty" Purdie Drums
Roger Rosenberg Horn
Jay Ryan Engineer
Laura Seaton Strings
Ira Siegel Guitar
Ellen Uryevick Harp
Rani Vaz Strings
Fred Washington Bass
Howie Weinberg Mastering
Marilyn Wright Strings
Wayne Yurgelun Engineer Mixing
Scott Barkham Production Coordination
Freddie Washington Bass
Andy VanDette Mastering
Brian Sperber Engineer
Richard Dunkley Photography
Nancy Levine Photography
Beryl Diamond Strings
Barry Diamond Strings
Elliott Randall Guitar
Sanford Allen Strings
Belinda Whitney-Barratt Strings
Bashiri Johnson Percussion
Randy Brecker Horn
David Michael Dill Engineer
Lawrence Feldman Horn
David Frank Horn Arrangements
Julie Green Strings
Juliet Haffner Strings
Joyce Hammann Strings
Mindy Jostyn Strings
Gary Katz Producer
Michael Landau Guitar
Jeanne LeBlanc Strings
Laura Nyro Keyboards Vocals Producer Main Performer String Arrangements Harmonica
Michael Brecker Saxophone
hmmmm
Familiar?
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 17:13:25
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 15:59:44
we lost alot with laura's death and sarah as well
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 15:03:54
Learn your music history,before there was Joni,Tori,Kate,etc.
There was a female singer/songwriter/pianist/composer named LAURA NYRO!!!!
In the late 60s,Laura was doing that whole"woman at her piano"thing when Kate and Tori were babies.
Sorry,I get upset when people repeatedly ignore her.
When Laura came out,no one had heard of Joni,and Carole King was still behind the scenes
writing songs with her husband.
Laura came out writing songs with complex chord progessions and rhythm changes.
http://www.lauranyro.net
Her long overdue biography comes out in APRIL!
And Joni has mentioned her on numerous occasions as a major influence,and I'm sure Walter &
Donald know about her,why don't YOU?
BTW,I like Joni and Kate,but Tori started getting on my nerves right around the time of From The
Choirgirl Hotel.
sorry,but this gets me heated up,
Ayanna
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 13:46:20
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 13:38:43
Count me in on the inquiry as to what the Libby CD is like. I've heard about it but have never seen or heard it.
Poo raises some good points. There is certainly a lesser degree of prominent women artists in pop and rock in the last few decades. Indeed, it is partially due to a chauvinistic society as well as many popular women stars (and not neccessarily musically talented ones) agreeing to be pimped by record companies, or at least not realizing they will be when they sign. With music by Sheryl Crow and Alanis Morrisette and Dido, some are saying woman now rule the pop/rockmusic landscape. I''m not so sure about that. I think record companies use these women's looks more than ever to sag up for lack of talent development and support. Diana Krall is someone I can enjoy listening and I'd do her in a second if she wanted me ;-) , but in other ways it bothers me to see her album artwork so heavily focussed on her photos.
Then again, consider Rosie Vela, who modelled as a way to pursue her real love of music, so I've read.
Bob Dylan had this interview where he referred to most women's music as being "chick music." When asked, "What about Joni Mitchell?" , Dylan said, "Joni's not a chick" and something to the effect of her being her own person.
I'm a big fan of Ricky Lee Jones, some real talent there where the music comes first. Tori Amos is someone whose musical talents I respect, although I am pesonally not a serious fan.
Regarding the slowness of loading, that's something I said I would take care of way last July and keep forgetting to do. It's unique only to those on Macintosh browsers. PC users don't have it. I actually need to insert some code in the posting CGI. Will do this week and that should help,
Went to buy the Sunday paper this morning and "Gold Teeth II" was playing on the store music. Hang around Osco Drug for a few hours if you can't afford your own copy of "Katy Lied" and you will probably hear it.
h
Date: Sun, March 24, 2002, 11:35:04
Ronstadt-raitt they are good cover artists. madonna, sheryl crow types need 6 men per song to help them write anything. janet jackson- mariah carey - they are an after thought in a male dominated producers medium.
Respectfully yours,
Poo
(note my recent name change - i got married!!! i finally got MY ring!!)
Date: Sat, March 23, 2002, 17:33:19
Date: Sat, March 23, 2002, 08:38:04
Libby Titus hasn't always been Donald's wife and did have a life of her own, also co-wrote that fine song, Love Has No Pride, recorded by Linda Ronstadt and Bonnie Raitt and perhaps some others i have no knowledge of ... sorry if i kinda detect a little disrespect in bringing her up or about not holding your breath, a little women's 4 Lib speaking here ... so, why not let prejudice drop to the bottom of the sea and just buy the record/cd .. those few dollars, i mean, you could waste them on hamburgers or donate them for the poor .. if you don't like the music you can always send it my way :-)
Have a nice weekend everyone,
G.
Date: Sat, March 23, 2002, 00:04:30
I need to know.
P.S. Not holding my breath on a Libby box set.
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 21:54:40
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 19:31:46
To elaborate, Walter's son is Kawai. WB wrote "Little Kawai" on 11 Tracks of Whack about him. I assume Kawai's not little anymore as I don't think migets run in the Becker lineage.
Keith
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 19:07:08
Bard83
no.
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 19:06:31
Bard83
no.
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 17:32:38
Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz. "Deja Vu"
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 17:06:40
-Paige
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 11:59:20
stopped at this record store called Sunset Groove...
there was a kid inside (about 17) and he said he was
the owner and his name was Sayan...could it be Walter's
son ?
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 11:54:01
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 09:19:52
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 00:44:29
Mine is slow too. What's up hoops/poops/schoops???
Date: Fri, March 22, 2002, 00:02:53
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 23:59:30
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 22:41:07
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 21:07:42
Hoops for President...or did I mean Poops?
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 20:32:08
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 19:46:08
iI forgot to tell you folks. I have 31 songs mimicing the style of donald and walter that i will be performing at DANFest: Pensicola!
SAMPLE:
The junkyman
Amaj7#9b11 - Dmu9 - Esusb6, etc w/riffs
My man, junkyman
got a glass harpoon
filled with happy blue
sails around the 7 oceans
Got no lift since he met blue
you can bet his daisy is too
Cops - cops - chatter, chatter
outta my face, friend
daddy barrister can swing it!
© 2002 poop productions bmi
Of course we have the dvd of the extra "plush interview to watch!"
Yours,
Poops
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 17:25:59
Ever since i was surgically removed from my siamese twin, hoops, i have felt the need to complete him at times. so, zanyness just pours forth to make up for, … well. i hope that you are not an anti-zanist.
In these troubled times, it is good to know that i can be in contact with my fellow dan friends, that we can share our hopes for a release of carey (with the ensuing video of don in his dress), and that i can be soothed by the thoughts of a jenni muldaur box set to be released, soon. i am not a rich man, but that is one box i will pop for.
In the meantime, i am starting a danfest in pensacola, fla! i found some doritos and some little debbies. i guess people will have to bring their own beverages and stuff.
SPECIAL GUEST: jerome aniton's aunt is coming. so i'm gonna have to charge a fee to get in, what with me paying her bail and airfare, 'n all! she has a photo of him and jeff hodder. i think she has some beer.
Oleander has some videos of her dog, broadway duchess, barking everytime donald sings "down in tampa…"
And those guys malcom and malibu? ah, don't tell them the address.
St. al and hoops are the same guy - right? one invite.
If you are not gonna …
Poop …
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 15:04:21
Thanks for your good intentions and for being concerned.
The thing is this: there's a fine line between what Clas does—attacking people with no other point than to bully them into submission versus being a wise cracking, smart ass in the spirit of things Dan. Clas and a couple of others calling me an ass-licking jagoff over and over again, day after day, is pretty pointless. On the other hand, responding to some fucked up thoughts in a fuckked up way can be damn funny and Very Dan.
My point of "Don't feed the Clas" is simply, if you think someone is trying to get your goat, ignore them. If they are, they'll get tired of no response. And if they aren't--they're just trying to have some whacked fun--jump in and do the same or take what you like and leave the rest. I'll be the first to admit that I don't always catch on to whether it's one way or the other.
With Poops' posts, it seemed to me that they are just interjecting a frenzy of twisted whackiness to the mix here. I think Mikester caught that train. Mellow Yellow seems to have missed the train that came by. Some of the funniest stuff I have read here or else in a while.
What was that story, whenver Becker and Fagen would write, they knew it was good if it made them laugh. Ellington and Horace Silver say the same.
So, IMHO, don't take no shit from Clas and the like, in fact ignore it. But if we don't have fun with the twisted, life here gets way too straight and boring.
Laugh at the frozen rain...geezus...I'm gonna be on with Dr Phil and Oprah next.
Probably the last piaster I could borrow.
h
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 13:38:00
Don't take any chances and secure a SD performance and/or sighting. Think ahead. It's easy. Mail the voting members of the Songwriters Hall Of Fame like, TODAY.
Songwriters Hall Of Fame
330 West 58th Street
New York NY 10019
And see you next year!
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 12:46:56
Clas = No class. End of story.
Oh, and your Metamucil suggestion, I wonder if that's what they gave your mother during
labor?
Earl
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 10:58:51
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 10:36:29
P
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 10:21:37
Earl
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 08:56:49
How can one be both a steely dan fan and humourless?
Poops
Date: Thurs, March 21, 2002, 08:32:51
It's funny that a guy with a certain name has little to none of the stuff his name purports.
It takes a real winner to go on and post 50,000 messages about absolutely nothing, just to spite someone who is trying to present a forum for Steely Dan discussion. And as much as I agree that Pink Floyd discussion in here is counterproductive, so isn't this jibberish that you and your multiple personalities have been posting (does that make him a schizo?).
See, we're talking about a guy here who probably got the crap kicked out of him in school because he was too weak to defend himself. So now he's got a big chip on his shoulder, so anyone who got anywhere in life is a threat to him. Thus he's gotta try to harass anyone of that general distinction because it makes him feel good about himself (since he was robbed of his dignity long ago).
So, in closing, a psychotherapist would be a good place to start. It's not healthy to be spending hours trying to meddle in something that is purely for fun and enjoyment. If you can't have fun, then why don't you start a guestbook where you control what's said?
To make this SD related, it would be awesome for D+W to write a song about a web-board stalker who cannot escape the clutches of being a pest, thus ruining his own life in the process. You know, it almost sounds like a Dan song!
Earl
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 23:29:26
You are cool.
Bring it on folks!
Poop
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 22:22:12
1a) Picture on the back of Gaucho: What the FUK *IS* with THAT picture? Been wondering for 21 years! You think "Jazzizz" will have a special issue devoted to it? My take? The foot is like a gauchoesque phallic object entering a "ring" about to go "(horseback) RIDING". Or maybe it's an advertisement for those new baked treats sold at Dunkin Donuts circa 1980. No...non....nyet! It's an ad for ceramic riding gear....wait...oh well....
1b) Becker/Fagen: Are they a fukked up duo? You bet and that's only the beginning.
3) Have I had any good fries/frits lately? No No No. Ever since the incredible fried dough at the Hartford 2000 Steely Dan show concession stand, fries don't do it for me. The magic is gone; I can now only have fried dough from Hartford.
3d) Illegal extremist government destroying our democracy, basic values and all we hold dear?
Well, let me tell you, democracy is a small sacrifice to make to preserve all the other values and merchandise we hold dear--38" plasma screen digital TV, SUVs, widely available double lattés, that DryVit®-clad house with a three-car garage in the suburbs, and, of course, breast and/or penile implants as the need and/or preference be wills. If you got that, who needs democracy and freedom?
4e) The Saudis burning burkaless women? Sadly, I don't even think Steely Dan could write a song about that one. If they did, it would be like "The Royal Scam II" but really, really, really pissed off. Sorry nothing funny on this question.
Now I need to stop right HERE. The bells are going off and the bimbos are bringing out the surprise prize wagon! Tell Hoopsie that this has better be a finalist for "BlueBook Segué of the Year." Poops effortlessly goes from talking of a sick, chauvinist society dominated by men--that is supported by our SUV and latté enablers--burning repressed, innocent women--to talking about the Joni Mitchell tribute song by Steely Dan. It's like a quadruple-triple axl at the Olympics. And do we appreciate it? YES! 'cos Donald wore a dress--maybe even a burka--and sang what is oft perceived as a WOMAN'S SONG!!!! Donald's like protesting! That's the oblique connection between these two topics. Way to go, Poop Dude!!! I'm slain at that deft transition, Man!
5 or maybe 6) Regarding "Carey": I'm sorry, I forget......what was the question?
7) TechnoMoHo, XXX1, Dan Fans Zero? Hey, I didn't think the other one I bought was all that bad! I mean, I played it on my $9.99 Emerson CD boombox from Best Buy until it broke five minutes later! That damn paper label fell off the CD and got jammed in it. What the hell with these paper CD labels anyhow? Who needs 'em? Good thing I bought 12 players and a free dispenser. But wait! IS THERE a Marilyn Manson/Charo duet tribute album? Well, if Donald Fagen even dings a bell on it, I want it! NOW!--in 5.1! Speaking of which, when's that Jenny Muldaur CD featuring DF coming out in DVD-A? Where's the Bush administration when you need to buy a CD or something? I PAID for it with my democracy!
8i) Mariah's Girls: Here's the deal. You know the whole Enron/ArthurAndersen fall-out on Kmart? Well, the cheap, fake boob supply chain from "Best Yet" has been cut off. Look for her boobs to be in stock and restored soon, under the trashy blue boob light. In the meantime, please give voluptuously to the new charity, "Mariah's Girls." BTW: Virgin fired her because they finally were the last to figure out she wasn't.
9.) To hell with a Christmas album, let them endow a line of "So Fine, So Young" fake boobs to the fan clubs instead.
10) Chelsea or Christina? This is a trick question, right? I'd rather WATCH THEM DO EACH OTHER! So THERE!!!
11xyz) Metheny's hair? TechnoMoHoBoFoAfro.
Mikester
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 18:24:26
What's with the hair pat?
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 18:17:02
Chelsea Clinton or Christina Aquliera?
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 18:11:01
Or a kwanza/channukah disc.
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 18:04:26
Maybe she could do a cover of carey.
Chorus:
oh, msriah carey show us your girls,
made of the finest silicon
oh, you're mean to your old daddy
but i like it
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 17:57:26
I got the last tech motohome. I'd rather listen to a marilyn manson/charo duet cd of yodelling tunes of Cameroon than to listen to another one of those bad boys!!!!!
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 17:39:16
Either they are cold or soggy or tough or coated with shit -
key ryst!!!
And when the H-E-double hockey stix are americans going to wake up and realize that we have been taken over by an illegal- extremeist regime bent on distroying our democracy, basic values and all we hold dear.
And how about our buddies the saudis who let 15 girls die by not letting them out of a burning building because they didn't have their burkas on???!!!
Whats up with that carey song? - release it as a single if it ain't coming out!!!!!!!
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 17:27:31
I think those two guys are fukked up - don't you?
Poops
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 14:16:06
-Paige
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 12:25:05
Date: Wed, March 20, 2002, 00:01:22
Big Ed--Find of the month!! That is truly amazing, and boy would I love to hear the story behind that one! I couldn't find the movie anywhere via Google, either w/ original or English title. Let us know if you find out anything more.
Wonder Ring--In "Say Anything," John Mahoney is driving his car and singing along with "Rikki" on the radio.
Mu--That story's just as damn amazing as it was when you first told me. Pancreatic cancer has a very high mortality rate. I recently lost a friend to it.
Hoops!--If the person below is referring to my post, that's bullshit. Whatever you do here, however you choose to manage the Blue Book is copasetic with me, and I admire your dedication and massive energy expenditure over the years on behalf of Dandom. Plus, people, Hoops is a mensch and I adore him!--I also really appreciate your support and defense of shmos like me, and agree that each person has to come to his/her own peace with respect to dealing with annoying flamers, who like death, taxes, and the dishes are inevitable. I do hope that people will support the GB CD out of respect for the musicians on it in general and for the enormous effort of JW Malibu and Schwinn, the producers.
Speaking of which: SUBMIT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! SEND YOUR TUNE TO BARN@flash.net FOR THE TECHNICOLOR MOTORHOME 2002 CD, AND YOUR STEELY CHARETTE ENTRY TO www.dandom.com/charette BY APRIL 1!
Long, long green on no album/ tour until 2003. Takers?
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 23:48:39
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 22:44:23
I saw the New York Times mag you spoke about. The inside back cover has a list of all the songs on Beck's MP3 player on a certain day last month. There's listed 200 songs he played on that day, but none Steely Dan. However, I guess he has 8000 songs on his MP3 player. I'm sure he's got a few Dan on there. He's got to.
Rolling Stone lists Countdown to Ecstasy as the 13th coolest album of all time.
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 19:32:56
One article looks at the shift to downloadable music. It meanders and is vague in its conclusions; ditto for an article on "Outsider Music." And then there is a homage to Moby. Mingus wife gives a really poingant portrait of her husband.
As far as Letterman vs Leno vs...
I don't watch much T.V. but I do try to catch Letterman. Becker and Fagen make him look like a realtive amateur at the whole irony thing and Letterman isn't as fresh as he was in the 80s when he was at NBC. And clearly, Letterman is much more establishment.
Leno is the heir of Carson and, of course, Letterman didn't get Carson's position, although it's clear Carson wish Letterman did. What gets me is how much Leno rips off Letterman's show and then homogenizes it . P.I. can be great and really is stuck on itself at other times. Really hit or miss. I have a hard time with Conan and can't stand Kilbourn. I feel like I could do a better job hosting those showsm which isn't saying much.
Thanks for the heads up, Ed. Great link.
Dr µ. Facinating to ponder Rikki.
h
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 18:59:34
h
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 18:18:30
Focussing on the positive things provided by internet communication, worldwide, i'd like to state how nice it is we can be part of a chain ... i first heard Nigey Lennon's Brain Tap Shuffle here on Dandom Radio and am still thrilled like a child because of the Dan/Zappa connection in it :-)
Furthermore, miss Lennon and company are planning this trip to Germany for a Zappanale and are also willing to perform in Amsterdam if there's a venue available, so i will try hard to get some clubs here interested ... all of this because of internet forums, connecting people who share a taste in music :-)
It's a very giving essence, you know, these Dannered flows ...
So thanks to everyone in this chain!!
Gina
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 17:12:38
New Album happenin soon....
ygk
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 14:59:38
But in case you have missed it (since I removed the items), almost every morning Clas leaves pretty much the same boring insults and flames that lead no where. It's gotten so routine that deleting his posts is like taking out the trash. I brought this to his attention about a month ago when he kept picking on Oleander, and for about a single email he seemed something like apologetic. Of course, he didn't mean it.
My two concerns are this. One, a lot of people who do get flamed don't realize it's Clas; they get all pissed off and react back with a post or become reluctant not to post anymore at all. Unfortunately, I know there are Dan fans and more out there who have some really cool stories, tales (true, semi-fiction and fiction) to tell or insights to offer. We're losing out as a result. I won't say this is all due to Clas but he's a big contributor. The best thing for all of us is to ignore him--DON'T FEED THE CLAS. Let that be your mantra. I'm convinced that even if he says something intelligent, he's just gonna eventually shit on your response.
I haven't been able to follow it entirely, but apparently another "Technicolor Motorhome" compilation is on deck and Clas is up to his usual insults. My opinion: DON'T FEED THE CLAS. I hope the people organizing this ignore him, don't even consider putting him on the CD. If someone ends up putting Clas on it, I say don't even buy it. Don't support someone who brings such bad karma to Dandom.
Two, Clas should realize that out in Danland there are indeed some high-profile "ass lickers" and other types of things he has called me and others. If I were him I'd go after these people. The Dan-inspired things I do, for the past nine years, are out of genuine love for the Dan's music (not "ass licking"). I did it for three years before I even had a brush with them (It's not like I know them at all.). I still do stuff like the Digest for the love of it. Like a few weeks ago, I wrote that anonymous essay, "Torture is The Main Attraction: A Steely Dan Exhibit in Three Parts." I have no idea if anyone else liked it or cared, but I enjoyed doing for the sake of doing it--I didn't write it to say "look at me," I did it because I thougt it could be funny. I'm not doing this to impress Steely Dan or others or advance my career or make money or the like. Most every other Dan fan has the same idea. For example, this charette thing with Oleander is exactly that kind of thing. It's for the fun of it and I'm glad to be with a kindred heart on this one.
So if you are really sick of Clas, just ignore him, whether he posts as himself or as anon. Make it your motto,
hoops
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 14:23:06
The good news is the Ramones were inducted last night in the RRHOF, yes, that is good news!
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 13:58:53
I don't know if you have been catching the US news the past few days,
but there's this guy who was caught storing cyanide on the subway in
Chicago with a plot to release it in gas form in upcoming weeks. The
caught the guy milling around in a private tunnel leading to my
building for which I handle computer security. So that's been my
preoccupation. It's sick that someone wants to kill people like that
as way of expressing whatever. So when I have to deal with some of
the noise you've been posting it's a pretty small deal.
Not sure if you realize it but there are other people like Graydon who want to post stories and interviews about working with the Dan--here or on St Al's etc. They approach me or I hear about it second hand. But they also don't want to bother to waste their breath in the company of comments like those you leave.
I don't have much opinion of the long term, dubious history you seem
to have on the SIS GB and I don't know you personally. You're
coming into my space, my virtual living room as it were; I pay the
rent and host; I expect people to act half way humane. People are
welcome in my virtual living room to discuss the Dan, but if you are
keep up the kiddie sarcasm , then you are not welcome.
Jim
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 10:42:23
Date: Tues, March 19, 2002, 06:58:04
This was a legitimate point.
I have to seriously doubt that Rikki the song was inspired by a girl who looks like Paul Schaffer. What's wrong with that.
Oh I can go "Pink Floyd this, Pinkl Floyd that" and that's alright.
The fuck is this? A tengentially Floyd page now?
Date: Mon, March 18, 2002, 22:24:03
The newest issue of Rolling Stone (dated April 11) has listed The 50 Coolest Records. And of course Steely Dan is on the list, at #13, with Countdown To Ecstasy. Comments read as follows: "Donald Fagen and Walter Becker send up America as one big Las Vegas, with gangsters and gurus hustling for souls to steal. Drugs involved, clearly..." They pick Boston Rag as their fave song. Coming in at #20 on the list is Chic's 1980 album, Real People, with this note: "If Steely Dan could dance, they would have been Chic: sly, satirical, obsessively kinky pop about the state of the union." The songs on the chic album are disco.
Interesting to note that quite a few great albums are missing, as I
guess there would be on any such compilation. As an "older" person, the list looks like it's tilted toward the newer stuff, to me.
Date: Mon, March 18, 2002, 17:40:08
Date: Mon, March 18, 2002, 15:15:50
However, I certainly empathize with the inference created in your latter post.
Keep the legacy flowing!
Date: Mon, March 18, 2002, 13:41:47
I am now reminded why I generally keep these things to myself...
Date: Sun, March 17, 2002, 23:11:29
I have ironically not been particularly interested over the years in the personal lives of those that make up or have contributed to what is Steely Dan...the professional aspects of their work and collaborators and influences have been far more interesting.
This is just as well, since for the most part, Drs. Becker and Fagen have generally been reluctant to ingratiate us with such details, or they figured we or they would be bored with them in relaying them. Anyway, W&D are born observers and thus their art comes from that perspective. In that sense, they are more consumate artists than those who must LIVE their art...and the post-60s Show Biz Kidz mentality that we must celebrate those drunken, stupid, snorted out, bumbling overachievers who looked for and found the elusive pot of gold, lost it, then finally scrambled up to the point where VH1 would make a Behind the Music schtick and they're outta here...and as Oscar Wilde said "Life imitates art" and not vice versa.
Having said that, since we're in a lull, or we assume so waiting for Godot's Next One, why don't we delve into their lives just like every other Fanzine site for other artists...isn't it ironic and amusing that we swing schizophrenically from despair to joy and back to despair on whisper-thin rumors from anonymi, semi-anonymi, and regulars regarding recording and disposition of the NEXt ONE...anyway on with the story...
In the Fall semester of 1997 or 1996 (think it was the former) I was teaching a graduate seminar class on the biochemical changes realted to metabolism during exercise, with particular emphasis on compounds called "free radicals" which are produced in mitochondria as a "by-product" of oxygen metabolism, as well as prostaglandin synthesis, activated leukocytes (white blood cells), other immune-related cells, and a host of other endogenous enzymes. While these compounds are blamed for contributing to everything from aging to heart disease to muscular dystrophy (and rightly so), they are also a natural part of growth and development, protein turnover, defense against microorganisms and parasites, control of blood flow, muscle contractions, and glucose metabolism...the most famous being nitric oxide, brought to the public eye by a shared Nobel Prize and then Bob Dole with his blue suit, blue Pepsi can, and blue pills...
Well, to focus on the task at hand, one of the students was Rikki Canelstein, who had decided to pursue graduate work after helping to get 2 daughters (one adopted) through school (K through college) working as a flight attendant. She was in her forties, fit, with a shock of shortish strawberry hair and spectacles. Rikki was bright, energetic, gregarious, a little ditzy but kinda savvy at the same time. We had a bit of fun gabbing after classes. It was apparant immediately that she was from the NYC area, and as my family is originally from that area (Dad from Queens adn Mom from Westchester Co) we talked a bit about the area and changes over the years.
After the 3rd or 4th class a few students and I got on the subject of David Letterman and his schticks. Rikki mentioned that she knew Paul Shaffer well - he was her cousin (in fact there was a bit of a resemblance). We continued to gab a bit as the room cleared. We talked about SNL, shows, and CDs...I don' know what else...I mentioned that Paul's bandmates had done studio work for one of my favorite bands: Steely Dan. Rikki said "Sit down. You're not going to believe this!"
Well, Rikki said that she was Donald's girlfriend in the pre-Dan days from Bard through Brill Building. She even mentioned that she and Donald had been engaged at some time. When Gary Katz took the guyz out to LA to pursue recording their own songs and fame & fortune, Rikki said she was left behind. In fact, she still seemed a bit miffed about it all, but quickly reconciled by her full life since then. Rikki mentioned that she and Donald's mom got along very well and she had kept in tough with her mom over the years.
Rikki also talked about Donald's well-known aversion to singing and his early attempts (some of which are heard on the early years, Sun Mountain, whatever compilations)...
Rikki the acknowledged that D&W had her in mind when writing Rikki Don't Lose That Number. It's not, as anything outside of 11 ToW, a strict biographical tale. Donald mentions in an interview that the story is about an older man hustling a younger woman. Part of the inspiration may have been Rikki's aversion to recreational pharmaceuticals. Donald and Walter were eveidently constantly trying to "corrupt" her, but to no avail. But No, Number is not a joint, nor is the song about Rick Derringer...
Rikki also disputed that the origin of the name Steely Dan came strictly from the Burroughs' novel. Walter had even admitted that he finds Burroughs a tough read. Instead, Rikki swore that the primary inspiration was a steel skyscraper that was going up druing the Brill Building times. W&D would sit every luch out looking at the 'erection" cracking jokes about it...whether they christend it Steely Dan IV as part of a "naked lunch" running joke...or if they decided that the dildo story worked better for their sensitibilities and humor than a skysraper story once they became public after Do it Again, Reelin' and Can't Buy a Thrill Became hits, I cannot say...
Rikki and I talked for another 25 minutes. We agreed upon an exchange: she had never heard Donald's solo albums: the Nightfly and Kamakiriad and she had some early, early tapes somewhere... Sadly, Rikki missed 2 out of the next 3 weekly meetings. About a month, following class - Rikki had the saddest of news - she told me that she had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Rikki managed somehow to finish the semester and do well, despite running back and forth to MD Anderson Hospital in Houston. Rikki displayed the most incredible resolve and optimism facing a catastrophe that would the vast majority of us (me included) crumble. If there was anyone who could beat those odds...
Unfortunately, we lost touch shortly after that...even her adivisor did not hear back...while I would like to hope somehow, someway the odds with pancreatic cancer are dire indeed...well, that's more than enough for now...Rikki was a special person and I wish her the best wherever she is...
While we're at it II would like to hear more about Dorothy White aside form her contributions to the CTE and Katy Lied covers...
Date: Sun, March 17, 2002, 09:06:48
I think we would have heard this one by now.
WoW
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Date: Sun, March 17, 2002, 09:04:07
I guess I could see Fagen not discussing the true meaning of Rikki if it were about his former date, but I am skeptical that it is about Paul Shaffer's relative.
I've seen the Amazon links but never paid attention until now. Cool pix.
We would have heard more about an album by now if there was to be a tour.
I'd buy a new CD if there were new good ones out. There aren't any.
WoW
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Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 21:36:11
Cool link. Not clear why Becker is listed as an "actor" in some of these movies. Could it be that they count the performance of the a Steely Dan catalog recording as an acting part?
Am I the only one who was rolling on the floor with laughter when I read Amazon's little search item, "Find where Walter Becker is credited alongside another name..." ROFL! Gee, where WOULD WB be credited alongside another name????? I know they do this for every person listed, but it just looked funny :-) Anyhoooo, the photos are cool as well. I assume Becker didn't "act" in "Say Anything..." or "La Máscara de la conquista," but what Dan songs are in these movies? Cool links to Grammy 2001 photos.
Cool link, Ed, Cool link.
µ !!!! Your posts are often interesting and among some of the more worthwhile; that said, never heard this bent on Rikki and Shaffer. So I think Wondering, regardless of bogus linearage----- and what, most all the handles at all these chat places are bogus anywaze----has a legit question for further info/poop to explain how through all my travels as the facts unravel I have never heard this to be true or untrue. I mean, I thought DF was pretty much given over throughout the 1970's to his beloved Dotty of Hollywood, the late Dorothy White. Not saying I don't buy it but it shore is a new twist in my book. So with sincere heart, I ask for more info, you knew her, you got my attention, I feel titillated, further explanation is required. I mean even the non-Dan fan asks this question, Who is Rikki?
Wonder Ring (not WONDERING)
GiraffeCam!!! Check out below around Fri 3|08|02 Sounds reasonable, if you ask me. Not official tho.
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 20:24:02
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 18:38:51
Check out the credited cast overview and you'll see what I saw
Ed
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 14:59:23
Will the Dan tour in 2002 ?
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 13:30:30
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 12:20:21
I'm still out here somewhere,
I found this and I figured this is why the delay these days(hahaha)
http://amazon.imdb.com/Title?0304449
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 10:46:34
I don't remember Dave having much to say for the TvN date, but in 1995 (to the best of my recollection), he noticed that the Steely Dan orchestra was fronted with bandstands (reminiscent of swing bands of years ago) marked with "SD"...Letterman asked if that stood for Sam Donaldson. After Josie was over Dave said, "Hey, those guys are pretty good!" To which Paul replied "The best!" Paul should know: Steve Jordan, Bill Lee, and Hiram Bullock (members of Letterman's original Late Night band) played with Donald or Dan...and Paul's cousin Rikki (as in don't lose that number) was once Donald's girlfriend...
Bored with Letterman and Leno...can't stand Koppel or Maher (could this former guy's head be any bigger literally and the latter's figuratively?)...at night I write on my iMac and occasionally surf...
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 09:58:49
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 08:12:58
RJ, I mostly agree. But there is music worth buying, you just have to look for it and not shop aty chains as much. Also, contributing to this is how we all don't listen to the same radio stations anymore. Growing up we all listened to the same AM station and every kind of music was played. Led Zepplin alongside Marvin Gaye along side Janis Joplin right after Herman's Hermits. O.K., so Zappa wouldn't get played but there was still more variety. Today's various radio formats mean people get to specify very particularly what they want to hear and aren't exposed to what they might like but wouldn't necessarily make an effort to listen to. Plus the mainstream is full of shit as you say, and people listen to a lot less radio, if you ask me.
Date: Sat, March 16, 2002, 00:48:16
Date: Fri, March 15, 2002, 22:09:18
The head of the Grammys made a schpiel about how the record industry and musicians were going broke because of CD copying and downloading music. Then I read in the newspaper how Michael Eisner, head of Disney and Stephen Jobs, head of both Pixar Animation and Apple Computer, will be going separate ways because Apple promotes downloading music and video and Disney is big time against it.
Then a lot of musicians say that their recording contracts are so stacked against them that they never see any profits from the record companies.
I see it like this. I used to go to the record store every Tuesday for new releases. Ten years ago, I'd come out of the store with 1-3 CDs almost every week. For at least the past 3-4 years, there's been a steady decrease in good releases. I'm at the point where I rarely see a new release that I look forward to and I head to new releases Tuesday maybe once every 2-3 months. All I am looking forward to at the moment is a new Steely album and that looks like a way off. I'd go to the record store more if there was better CDs coming out. I think the Grammys guy and guys like him are using downloadable music as an excuse for not developing new talent or continuing to support established talent. Shit, the songs and albums I've downloaded, I have often ended up buying them any ways to get all the artwork, better sound, and the like.
R J
Date: Fri, March 15, 2002, 18:48:50
Also, wouldn't we see new songs listed on the copyright office website if there was a new album coming soon? I sure don't see any.
Get's that's all I have to say.
John
Date: Fri, March 15, 2002, 16:55:49
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 21:31:00
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 21:29:12
2. Woody Allen
3. I own neither video
4. ------
5. Everybody must get stoned!
6. --------
7. Have never seen one. Does my brother singing Steely Dan tunes in the car count????
8. I think he could be on an album but in a tour it would be overkill. (Didn't Metheny play with the CBS Orchestra on Letterman once?)
9. -------
10.1 No tour until 03.
10.2 No idea
11. I am positive about "Negative Girl"
12. Pete Grabriel's "Shaking The Tree," The Strokes' latest, "Aja" and The Chieftains' "Long Black Veil"
Congrats on the new site, Andy. You could always add a second hostname later if you come across one you really like later.
R J
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 20:29:30
In one week from tomorrow, Friday, March 22,2002, the Steely Fan Band will be LIVE at The Studio Cafe in Newport Beach!
Please join us in our first appearance in our hometown club and celebrate our ownLarry Michaels(AKA Mr. Sticks) birthday !!!!
The club is right on the beach on the Balboa Peninsula at the Balboa Pier.200 Main Street.
The show is Free to get in , but be prepared to indulge in the Studio's famous "Adios"blue drinks..Let's pack the place and have a good time!
Showtime is 8:00pm.
Thanks
Mr.Samson
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 15:17:42
1) Leonhart, since I went to college w/ her for a year.
2) Rosie O'Donnell and Steely Dan go hand in hand, don't they? At least they will after her Diane Sawyer interview.
3) I've got the VHS, but if I owned a DVD player I'd have had the Plush DVD a LONG time ago.
3 again) Decent but nothin special. The VHS sounds good through it though.
4) How about the Red Light district? Coincidence?
5) Heh-reh heh heh mm hem heh.
6) A big pile of donkey feces with a sign saying "Recording Industry of America." Then, a picture of D+W giving it the finger.
7) Never heard one. I guess I wish these bands would try to come up with some original stuff...it would be cool to have another band in the spotlight with a similar sound to our guys.
8) They don't need Matheny. He'd be an awesome addition, but the price tag might be too high. They're plenty good w/ their current lineup.
9) Didn't take it.
10) No tour, release in late 2002. Tour in 2003 to follow it up. They went through many albums w/o touring, they might sit tight til next summer.
10 again) Let's think about this. A good % of their songs are about longing for home. Walter's home is in Hawaii...longing for home possibly?
11) The hidden gem of 2VN in my opinion. I could live without the vibe solo. It's a very quaint little number, subtly biting. I think the outro is the best part of the song.
12) An assortment of my pre-Dan-days garbage pop, a few jazz CD's, and some Christian rock.
Earl
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 12:20:46
2. Donald Fagan
3. I don’t own video gear, DVD is da bomb.
3A. I don't care much for stereo. My father settled for mono, why shouldn't I? Bill??
4. “That's how you cut a deal in Texas”
5. “Change handle if the going gets tough”
6. Sitting on the stoop sipping Coors. That's my idea of a Sunday afternoon.
7. Never seen one
8. Love Hornsby -- can’t really visualize him playing “Do It Again” live, though
9. Gates rules, Jobs blows
10. February 30, 2003
10A. Two Against Nature, Phase 2
11. “Guess who's coming for dinner”
12. ”Hot Rats and fat cats”
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 09:05:03
2. Walter Becker
3. Neither -- I don’t own video gear
3A. At home, a decent if modestly priced bunch of unmatched components (Denon, Phillips, Sony); at work a digital mixing console with inboard limiters/EQ and 17 assorted studio monitors
4.”There are no coincidences,” as they say in California
5. “The pumps don’t work ‘cause the vandals took the handles”
6. A historically accurate re-creation of D & W’s President Street apartment in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn, c. 1969, complete with costumed docents in the roles of President Street Pete and his missus, who greet visitors on a simulated front stoop
7. Never seen one
8. Love Metheny -- can’t really visualize him playing “Do It Again” live, though
9. Jobs rules, Gates blows
10. February 30, 2003
10A. Two Against Nature, Phase 2
11. My least favorite Dan number of all time (except “Everything You Did”)
12.”Hot Rats” and “Burnt Weeny Sandwich” by Frank Zappa, “Sailin’ Shoes” and “Feats Don’t Fail Me Now” by Little Feat, “Abbey Road” by the Beatles, CD copy of DAT audio from our recent show in NYC
Date: Thurs, March 14, 2002, 08:29:50
Date: Wed, March 13, 2002, 20:13:48
Date: Wed, March 13, 2002, 17:16:52
This survey stuff looks fun.
1. They are all good, past and present
2. How about Steve Allen?
3. I have a Sony setup. Nothing too extra special.
4. Never heard of Gaslighting in San Diego
5. The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.
6. I'm working on this.
7. There's a few in the NY/NJ area I want to see
8. It would be fun to have Metheny show up on tour or album
9. I don't get this one.
10-1. I say 2003 or 2004.
10-2. I'm not sure.
11. I like -girl but I agree, I don't think I understand it all since I'm not a musician.
12. Ella Fitzgerald, Marc Anthony, B.B. King/Eric Clapton's new one, Carly Simon box set, Tori Amos.
This was fun!!!
Have a great night everyone!
Mich
Date: Wed, March 13, 2002, 00:09:33
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 22:16:47
Regarding the Plush Comments, I did notice while watching the video, certain missed opportunities to show the correct player that matched the solo. It wouldn't surprise me if at least some of those producing had economics and speed more at heart above the highest possible integrity. I dunno, I wasn't in the control room. STILL; seeing video of D and W play just still so great.
Which brings me to the DVD vs VHS question and that DVD Gear Slut's dig at VHS. True, I'd have to say the spirit of the Dan is to have the most technically advanced media so that would mean DVD! (Remember in "Rolling Stone" when Walter was asked about 2vN cassette artwork and basically said cassettes are dead? Similar thing perhaps.) But I guess I fall into the "Fan in Excess" as I own three copies...DVD, VHS and how it originally aired on the PBS affiliate, Channel 11, in Chicago, complete with breakaways for pledges and this funny scene where everyone who was answering the phones starts dancing in a train around the studio to the music of Steely Dan! That I have three isn't meant as showing off as much as I guess how goofy I am about the video. I mean can only play the DVD at work sice I don't have a player at home. What can I say? Guilty as charged.
Lp: Perhaps I am wrong, but I think we discussed this last summer. Some, people prefer to post at the SIS GB, some here, some both or elsewhere (I post mostly here but at SIS too, as well as the alt Newsgroup, AOL, Yahoo, and obviously the Digest—what ever seems most appropriate to the topic. Crossposting isn't a bad thing but the way they were referred to a post on the SIS GB without it actually being posted on the BlueBook might be read as telling BB'ers to come there. I don't think that's what you intended but I could see some of those who requested the BlueBook as reading it that way and being angry. So it was good someone posted them here--after all, we're just trying to reach people, right? Heck, half of the survey is based on here.
Again, I want to reiterate, that I am glad Pat can promote his website and I often as possible make an attempt by phone or email to coordinate with him . In fact, last month, when his web troubles started, I even offered to split off part of my server space (which is very reliable) for him to use. Sadly, it would cost me about $30/mo to do this (since it's an expensive but very reliable ISP) and Pat can only afford $15/mo for his website. And I don't need to bore you with how I first called Pat when I was starting Radio Free Dandom or how Pat says the BlueBook should continue and so forth since I've been through that before. We're chummy. Enough since we're really here about Steely Dan.
Now to answer what I might about the survey.
1) All the bare midriffs are special but I do second the choice of Catherine Russell. I hope she comes back although I sure wouldn't want to replace any of the 2K Mid-riffs.
2) I could go on and on about who influenced the Dan but really, only their hair-dresser knows for sure.
3) no comment.
4) Gaslighting is indeed the Hitchcock movie, not San Diego.
5) My favorite Dylan line is "Steal a little and they throw you in jail, Steal a lot and they make you king" from "Sweetheart Like You."
6) Already posted several ideas—Thanks for the product placement in your survey! (See O. posts to the SIS GB and I STILL like her! :-) )
7) Tribute bands--intriguing. I've only seen the Steely Damned so they would be my favorite. Then again, maybe the Fall 2000 Chicago Danfest band. BTW: I just heard today that in Chicago they have "Katy Lied."
8) I could see a Metheny walk on on the next album but on tour, it would be too much since Walter plays with broad strokes. See my Digest item about the Steely Dan Guitar Spectrum in 2K.
9) I'll pass.
10) I think there was a more convincing post here about it, and I have to agree with it, most likely there will be nothing this year but perhaps next.
10) explained it long ago
11) Steely Dan is the ONLY artist that does not have an imperfect song that I don't like.
12) too numerous. How about if I list what I have been playing in my car: Hattler "No Eats Yes"; "I'm Your Fan" 1991 Tribute to Leonard Cohen, "A Love Supreme" Coltrane, Van Morrison "No Guru, No Method, No Teacher," "The Royal Scam", 2vN, and 11TOW.
There. Enough of me!
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 20:37:54
Pete Fogel explained:
Up to the time that Pat Metheny got involved, most of the special guests had really not been marquee names. Since I was helping Libby get some of the special guests and was promoting the show via Metal Leg, Libby had asked me to get someone with a bigger name, who I thought would work well with Donald.
I wasn't a huge Metheny fan, but for some reason, his name kept popping into my head.
Pat actually played with Donald more than once. However, for two of these shows he only sat in on a couple of songs, there was only one show where he played most of the night.
I brought him down to the Lonestar the first couple of times and he insisted on being a spectator. He wanted to see what the NY Nights shows were all about before he made a commitment to do a whole night.
Jimmy Vivino and myself had to practically beg Pat to sit in with Donald the first time. He had this thing about not wanting to play without his own guitar (which he didn't bring with him).
Finally, Pat just used one of Jimmy's extras and jammed on Black Friday and Chain Lightning. It was pretty cool, but Pat was laying back a little, not taking any solos and just playing rhythm.
As the months went on, I called Metheny's manager in Boston a couple of times and he explained to me that Pat was in NYC recording a new record and was a complete workaholic. Basically, he wouldn't leave the studio..... for anything.
I called The Power Station and got Pat on the phone. I said, please find a few hours out of your day and come over and do a full show. After a few more phone calls to the studio, Pat agreed!
As fate would have it, the Power Station was only a couple of blocks from the Lonestar Roadhouse, and I repeatedly used this fact in my persuasion.
I was really psyched !
I'll never forget the day of the show during the rehearsal at the Lonestar. Donald wanted to debut Sign In Stranger, and the band (which included Tom Barney on bass for the first time) started playing the song. Pat came running up to me after the rehearsal and asked me which album that tune was from. I told him the Royal Scam and asked him if he wanted to know so he could listen to it before he played it that night. He said yes, and asked if there was any way he could get a copy of it. I jumped in a cab and went over to Tower Records and picked up a cassette of the RS and ran it over to Pat at the Omni Hotel. When he opened the door he already had his walkman out and shoved the tape in before I could even say good bye, he was going to be playing this song in a few hours.
We couldn't advertise Donald or Pat's name in the paper, so I really had to hit the phones. You can imagine all the Metal Leg subscribers' reactions when I said, "How would you like to come down to the Lonestar in a few days and see Donald Fagen and Pat Metheny playing together?" I mean these people were gasping for air thinking of the possibilities. I think we sold out the Lonestar in one day's worth of phone calls. Six hundred people packed to the rafters, all by word of mouth.
Pat & D. Fagen at the Lonestar, NYC
Pete Fogel had told me that Pat may stop by soon (Fagen & Pheobe Snow would play every other week 2 shows the same night). So, I had just seen a smoking set and if it didn't sell out, they'd let me stay for the late show.
As I was telling my friend who was to my right that Pat may show up. Pat was sitting on my left. I tapped my buddy's shoulder and leaned back and he looked at me, but it was Pat sitting there. We spoke and Pat appeared to be psyched. He used Jimmy Vivino's metalic gold Les Paul. The Sign in Stranger night, I was over the stage, directly over Pat's guitar neck.
The stage was small and he was almost hitting the high end of Fagen's Fender Rhodes, to his left. We all watched in amazement as Pat played the fills (that are keyboard runs on Royal Scam) and was definitely the greatest moments of live music I've ever been present for.
I watched Fagen's face, he was in awe. I looked out on the crowd, in this tight if not quaint room and they were freaking out.
Tasty, fast, innovative, with the signature Pat tension growing. I saw Pat at Opus 40 in Woodstock with Jack D & Dave H. I ask him to sign my Pat Metheny Group CD 'remember the lonestar', he got one of those big smiles of his and said 'I remember that!', to which I told him that Sign in Stranger was the best thing i'd seen. Too bad that it can't be heard by the masses!
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 18:59:58
"The Steely Dan DVD had a budget that would make movie producers cringe, yet it was impossible to get the video guys to use the same take for the video shot of the piano solo as the one used for the audio. THEY ARGUED, we made them change the shot, and then on the way to the DVD plant they put their shot back in. They didn't care about the audio being out of sync, they didn't even notice it."
"Now that I am ranting, during the first day of shooting with 5 cameras on isolated machines, I noticed that they were never getting the solos covered. I stayed up all night going over each song and put together a shot list for the next 2 days. I gave it to the director and said that this may help get some of the stuff they needed. He said, "Thanks, but the production assistant has already done that, we will use hers." He threw mine away I found out later. Some solos NEVER got shot. At 5 cameras, when the solos came each guy just needed to cover one of the 4 guys that did the solos.... but NOOOO."
"Roger"
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 18:59:43
Or are we talking about their voices?
If we are,I still say both.
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 18:55:29
'real danfans don't consider anything but DVD ?"(or whatever you said)
I don't have a DVD player at the moment,so this REAL DANFAN uses VHS,thank you!
Ayanna
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 18:34:56
keep em comin people!
me thinks the anger from the yellow is in another form at times over here
;p
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 18:14:54
2--Walter Becker and Donald Fagen
3--Real Dan fans don't even consider anything but DVD.
4--Everything from a Fisher Price Windup to a lotta Lexicon shit.
5--gaslamp district a coincidence with what? Gaslighting Abbie is all about the gaslights in the original Hitchcock thriller. Clearly a question not from here.
6--a closet
7--my gazzoo band in my car
8--ask Donny and Walty
9--clearly not a question borrowed from the Blue
10--Already been answered here at the Blue. Lemme guess, the pisspages are still looking to Get It Right.
10--Another 10? people sit in them
11--it's the tits, what's not to like? Heavenly.
12--I also keep some pending bills, those papers I was served and a kleenex rumored to have been used by DF to blot his head at some show in '73
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 17:03:16
1: Calhoun, no question.
2: Most? Dennis Miller. Most on the list given? Woody, I guess.
3.1: DVD, for durability and sound quality
3.2: It's 11 years old, bought from what's now a Tweeter store, and adequate for these ears
4: 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case -- coincidence? Much the same...
5: I haven't heard a better opening line than "You've got a lotta nerve..."
6: Precision, grace, and lots of space
7: No problem with them, but no favorites, either
8: I'd like to see him try...
9: Too stressed to have time to take the test
10.1: Nah. I'm still sticking with my prediction of 29 February 2004 with tour to follow.
10.2: Just a nice photo, that's all
11: Coming after the more conventional Jack of Speed and Cousin Dupree, Negative Girl and West of Hollywood are more challenging to listen to
12: A buncha stuff. I wind up listening most to alienated white males: Steve Earle, John Hiatt, Joe Jackson, DF, WB, etc.
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 15:58:05
1. carolyn leonhart or cynthia calhoun?
2. most dan related comedian: monty python or george carlin? woody allen or stephen wright?
3. plush video - dvd or vhs?
3.A what kind of stereo equipment do you have?
4. gaslamp district in san diego - just a coincidence?
5. favorite line from a bob dylan song
6. your idea for the design of the steely dan space at the rock and roll hall of fame
7. tribute bands - favorites? okay with the concept?
8. pat metheny in studio or touring with walter/donald - would it work or not - why or why not
9. what is your stress percentage from the url test below?
10. tour in 2002? release in 20xx? what do you think?
10.A what is the significance of the beach chairs in hawaii at steelydan.com?
11. what is your opinion of the song negative girl?
12. what else is in your cd rack?
sorry, borrowed from the blue a little for the above questions, but it works
someone below mentioned michael jackson - i have the best of cd of his that came out last year - i was reading the liner notes as to who played on his releases and was surprised to see the likes of jeff porcaro, larry carlton and was that even dean parks too as i remember now?
off to meet with staff, have a nice lunch on the east coast
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 15:34:17
see message numbered 765 for a fun test on the yellow pages! i stole some of the topics from this place for some of the questions, but a book is abook, right? sorta...
glad to see the wing dings in planning stages here, none in boston? how about newport jazz fest in august?
Date: Tues, March 12, 2002, 11:37:08
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 21:12:18
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 19:41:30
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 17:49:58
To get with the San Digeo Dan Fans, send an email message to majordomo@dandom.com with only the following in the message:
Or click here.
For "Countdown to Ecstasy V"(Baltimore, Washington D.C., Merriwether Post/Columbia) also send email to majordomo@dandom.com with just this in the body of the message:
Or click here.
Baltimore is the busiest and most amazingly active Danfest list, having had five healthily attended Danfests SINCE the 2000 Tour. Pretty amazing group!
Definitely have noticed where "Negative Girl" is appreciated a bit more, overall as a group, by musicians. Not that non-musicians don't like it, but I sense there is something about that song that strikes musicians as extra special.
Stevie, RJ, and Andy, others: Thanks for the info!
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 16:55:15
Just wanted people to know that we're gonna have a wing ding on June 8 in the Baltimore - Washington D.C. area. Yup! We finally agreed on a date for Countdown to Ecstasy V!!!
June 8 in Reistertown at 1 p.m. -- Place to be announced. So far there's a dozen of us!!!!! Email Steve Preactor at spreactor@yahoo.com if you plan to attend. We also have a Danfest list. Sign up for the Balt-DC list!
I'm looking forward to going.
Keith
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 16:32:31
I'll be staying in the gaslamp district. Any help would be appreciated.
cheers guys
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 16:32:22
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 13:58:32
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 13:32:51
I'm very tired of this. Yellow book down again.
StAl
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 12:01:01
In the interest of shameless self promotion, just wanted to let you know that www.nigeylennon.com has added audio clips from three songs performed at the recent Nigey Lennon/John Tabacco/Candy Zappa band show at the C-Note in NYC. The "tangentially Steely Dan" angle here is L/T/Z's special guest Ed Palermo, who played alto sax at the gig and is featured on the clips. Ed's NY-based big band is well known for their great renditions of Frank Zappa's music (Ed has also been known to perform snippets from Steely Dan tunes on occasion), and through its ranks have passed a number of Steely alumni, including Chris Potter, Cornelius Bumpus and Ted Baker. Some members of L/T/Z (Candy Zappa, John Tabacco and Joe Meo) also appear with Ed regularly. Anyway, enjoy the clips, and if you like them, keep checking the site, because there's more where those came from!
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 05:49:14
RJ-- I liked your suggestions--andylied.com is great, but ultimately, andymetzger.com won out, I just love the sound of it...no, but in all seriousness, I couldn't come up with a Dan-related name that wasn't too goofy so I just stuck with what most people call the site--"Andy Metzger's site."
About Negative Girl-- it is a sleeper track, but I don't think it's particularly because of its complex harmony/composition. It is a very complex song, but then again, so is pretty much everything on the album. I think that the minimalistic arrangement has a lot to do with musicians loving it (the playing is absolutely phenomenal) and the fact that it isn't instantly catchy. A lot of musicians (not saying Graydon is one of them) like music for specific concepts--complex harmony, weird time signatures, etc.--it's weird, because I judge a song on whether it's good or not--it can have three chords or fifty. There are good and bad examples of each.
Andy
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 05:39:01
I finally got my Steely Dan page back online. The new address is
http://www.andymetzger.com. I gave the page a few cosmetic tweaks, fixed some dead links and moved everything over to a new server. All of the sounds and other content is back up as it was before the switchover. Be sure to update your bookmarks (members.home.com is kaput) and please do check it out.
Andy
Date: Mon, March 11, 2002, 03:05:57
Keith Thomas - You're never too old to learn something new. My father was that way to his final days in his mid 70's.
Negative Girl is a great, though ponderous song. I don't think that you have to be a musician to appreciate it. It is a bit of a sleeper, and you all are aware of people who do not try very hard to appreciate music that doesn't blatantly hit them on the head. Negative Girl is a song that requires some repeated listenings in order to "peel back the onion" to expand one's appreciation of the song.
Then there are harmonically complex songs that suck, so, it is not necessary to have music knowledge in order to discern between good songs and not-so-good ones.
Have a great week everyone. Death to terrorists (I just watched that CBS special on 9/11).
Steveedan
Date: Sun, March 10, 2002, 16:14:02
I can't play an instrument to save my life but I do love "Negative Girl." I do know what RJ means though, it does seem to be one of the sleeper tracks in terms of popularity amongst Steely Dan fans. Still, I have noticed that the accomplished players of Danland and people like the Peg guitarist think it's the best. Maybe there should be a seminar on appreciating "Negative Girl." I wonder if it's too late for me to learn to read music at age 33. I think it's loved maybe because of the way it's composed, the chord progressions. Someone who is a musician should explain it to us non-musician types. I bet I am missing a lot.
Speaking of age, that's really depressing to think about there only being a few more Dan albums. At least they're putting them out every 3-4 years rather than every 20. I mean I HOPE they are coming out with one every 3-4 years now.
6 months since September 11. Two years since "Two Against Nature." Time DOES go by so fast.
Date: Sun, March 10, 2002, 15:58:40
Date: Sun, March 10, 2002, 13:10:11
Hoops. Metheny is amazing, but I find his shows more like an exhibition. His technical prowess is super-human. Yet, I find his recordings kind of less than engaging. They speak a little to much to my brain and not to my heart. Could be just my brain. I'm awed yet left a bit chilly.
Negative Girl is adored by so many musicians. But non-musicians find it the least appealing of the TAN tracks.
If the next album is not done until 2003, at least it it won't be a 20 year wait. Then again, at this rate, does this mean only 3-4 more Steely Dan studio albums? Contemplate this: Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown To Eggstasy and Pretzel Logic all came out within roughly 18-20 months. The first five albums came out in the same amount of time between the 96 and 2000 tours. Not saying it's bad, but nevertheless a contrast.
YGK. Mose is the Most.
JK's posts are a highlight here, among the best, even if I don't always agree.
R J
Date: Sat, March 09, 2002, 21:02:30
Was a great show. Ran into LaToya Beans and Chris Campbell (of several Chicago Danfests as well as Milwaukee). As I was saying earlier, this was the third time I had seen him and the first since time since 1986. It's still amazing that Pat can make all those sounds come out of his guitars, not to mention he could play anything thrown in front of him Just incredible.
Tangentially speaking, I can't help but also hear Metheny's influence on Drew Zingg. I can't help but wonder if one of the reasons Drew was selected for the early 90s shows was a certain Metheny element. Escuse my lack of technical expertise, but both have that density of notes. (Of course, I am not saying Metheny = Zingg.) Perhaps I am erroneously connecting the dots because of our recent discussion of Metheny and Fagen playing in the early 1990s, but I was pondering it.
I own about 6 or 7 Metheny albums but, while I know them when I hear them ("hey that's the second track on 'Off Ramp'!"), I couldn't tell you what the name of most any of his tracks are! So I felt kind of embarrassed to be sitting next to some people who were naming tracks off of one or another Metheny album. I felt like a newbie, just like someoone who didn't know the difference between "Reelin'" off of CBAT vs AiA. Well, the funniest moment for me was when Metheny was about to introduce a new track and prefaced it by saying (something like) "Frankly, we don't remember the names of the tracks, we just call them 'track 60' or 'track 45'...the names don't really mean that much to us or stick with us." Needless to say, I got a kick out of that, if Metheny says he can't even keep up with the names, I mustn't be as bad as I thought I was a little earlier.
One of the highlights was Richard Bona who plays all sorts of instruments but specifically his and Metheny's duet tribute to Jaco Pastorious who would have been 50 this year. Bona is quite an accomplished and recognized electric bass player.
Another highlight was the encore which was the third track on Michael Brecker's "Tales From the Hudson, " "Song For Bilbao."
Anyhow, what more can I say. It's been great fodder to read the discussion of Metheny and Fagen. I agree it would be cool to hear more about the Metheny and Fagen shows. I'll dig up my old "Metal Legs."
h
Date: Sat, March 09, 2002, 15:48:03
Date: Sat, March 09, 2002, 12:48:59
I'm not sure what to do or when the guestbook will be available again? I'm very frustrated and all I can say is it's a good thing those idiot technicians are 3000 miles from me right now.
StAl
Date: Sat, March 09, 2002, 01:17:04
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 20:07:12
This isn't really an idea for Hoops and Oleander's contest, but something I'd like to see at a Rock Hall of Fame expo on them.
I think it would be cool to have a painting to represent each of Steely Dan's songs. Then people could discuss the paintings and gain new insites into the songs.
Lou
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 19:03:13
jk, my man - I hope you ain't callin' me a "Southern Man"!
I like the the "Bad News correct" attitude! While I'd love to have them playing at my nearest concert hall on a 4 date gig starting promptly tomorrow, I have to admit the it would be nice to clear the year 2002 blues, save some more money for more shows and "do it again" with a a better vibe in '03.
Negative Girl is other worldly- God, I love that song!
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 18:41:50
No, The Santa Ana Banana Band is just a joke about The Steely Fan Band name, which I find totally funny. I do intend to use the name and announce the band in the middle of one of the sets as an attempt at humor to keep the crowd on their toes. Sometimes insults are so funny that they cease to be insults. This is one of those cases.
And just in case you did not know ... "Don't Take Me Alive" from the Royal Scam album is the song you are refering to ...
"I'm a bookkeeper's son. I don't want to hurt no one. Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon ... Don't Take Me Alive."
Take care Michelle.
And to Q - well, you've got me asking again about some of the rare stuff you have aquired. This time it's the rehearsal tapes of the 2000 tour. Can you help us out in obtaining this "Must Have" material. Please ?
Steveedan
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 18:35:05
On the Metheny/Fagen thing, isn't this a reference to the New York Nights Lone Star live (pre-Rock N Soul Revue) gig where Metheny played a few tunes, including Black Friday? Or is this something new? I just can't imagine that Pat would allow himself to be hemmed in creatively by Fagen, and I can't see Donald being comfortable with Pat's wide-open improvisational abilities, so, comments?
By the way, the poster known as Snowbound, who told us about the rediculous debate going on at Mojo4Music (The Monkees vs. Steely Dan - who's better ? [Yeah, right !]) posted on another forum there about this silly debate, and the people who are the denizens to the Mojo site are so ardently screwed up about loving the Monkees and hating Steely Dan, that the whole situation is just laughable. Luckless Pedestrian also weighed in a few times, but, I doubt that any of them would dare to come in here or at St. Al's site. We would all just nail them.
Be seein' you all soon --
Steveedan
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 18:29:36
Pat Metheny plays so dreamy. I hope I can catch him in N.Y.C. or Philly. What a great story JK. What was the show like? What did they play? Did Pat play on Bookkeeper's Son?
I'm bummed T-O-T-A-L-L-Y there won't be a tour or record this year! Hopefully these posters are just pulling our leg.
I thought Santa Anna Banana Band was a joke. You mean it's REAL!???
Have a nice weekend everyone! Traffic is just dying down now! Yeayyy!
Mich
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 17:09:03
i am an aquaintance of mr metheny. he did not like the tour w/joni because he thought that that terrific band should have been allowed to stretch out a little more. and he was not thrilled with the drug scene.
the lonestar shows were packed with metalleggers. and were about as good as it gets for concert going ever.
Q - you are the quintiscential southern gent.
jk
hoopman, when are you getting spell checker for this thing?!
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 16:44:49
Do tell more.
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 16:12:59
Although I am certain that devotees of the SIS GB are saddened during this temporary service outage, rumors that I plan to add pale yellow stripes and/or polkadots (as preference bewills) to the BlueBook are completely unfounded. Anywho, this all reminds me of when the neighbors have a power outage and they come over because my heat and lights are on. I'm sure Pat will be back soon, but do come back and visit more often. No need to be shy, I'm just a fool in love with time to kill on Steely Dan, etc etc etc. Heard you are too.
I think I might have personally met some of you who have posted within the past day. Weren't you the guys yelling "DOSES!?" at the Dead shows within earshot of the narcs? Not that a narc or two didn't come by for a share now and then, but nevertheless why shout out…
Dinky, Metheny,…what's the deal about working with Joni Mitchell? Regardless, "Shadows and Light:" is the cat's pajamas. Wish I coulda made a show on that tour.
Enough of me.
h
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 15:19:10
But, this is good news! Now we all have time to save more money to see more shows and buy more hats and shirts and mouse pads!
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 15:15:57
and you NYC locals and nearbys, don't forget
Blue Wednesdays
I'm gigging with some originals and covers with special guests
every Wednesday in Manhattan
Starts at 8:30
would love to see you and hang
Aus and Cara Mia were the first few sohourners
Really, Really diggin Mose Allison......Pianist/songwriter with monster chops and a unique view of life....
Excerpted lyrics:
"looked in the mirror this morning and what did I see - grey aplenty - must be the reason I'm not gettin any"
"your mind is on vacation, and your mouth is workin overtime"
ygk
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 15:15:50
Got the tour rehearsals disc and they are very fun! Some great isolated moments that didn't make it on the tour. A must have!
Q
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 13:55:27
Steveedan
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 10:38:54
SteveE: e-me when you know more about the G.O...may be the only new Dan experience this year
Neil Finn on Kilborn Monday.
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 09:55:51
libby wanted some different stars to sit in with donald at the lonestar, so i hooked pf up with pats management. pat played two gigs (i missed the first one - terrible ice storm). pat played his ass off. i thought that he was going to have a heart attack.
pat is a big fan of sd. apparently they asked him to tour. pat may have shied away after his experience with joni that he hated.
yes, of course, there are more pre-dan demos out there. find mr kenny vance on the net and ask him why he is not releasing them. he is at his bands site. who are the the monotones? the greasertones? - i forget.
if anyone wants to get me (world's biggest kulee fan) those gaucho outs speak up, baby.
jk
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 05:37:57
Why, I thought we agreed here, Doc.
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 04:41:56
Date: Fri, March 08, 2002, 03:58:42
It's almost 1 AM on the West Coast. I am at the home of the drummer and band leader of the Steely Dan Tribute band Doctor Wu. My new band (the one that has not been launched yet) had a rehearsal here tonight in Doctor Wu's studio. I just wanted to post a message to everyone and remind you all that there is a large amount of Steely Dan material beyond their studio albums that would interest you. It is true that there are new demos available of the Gaucho sessions, with a full band version of Kulee Baba and others. I have not heard them yet, but I have a friend whom is very much a reliable source of this kind of information and it is true. This news was posted here last week, and I wanted to let you all know that it is a true story.
I am sorry that the "yellow pages" are down today/tonight, but, St. Al does a fine job and it certainly won't be down for long.
Hoops, I wanted to promote a gig for the Steely Fan Band (also know as the Santa Ana Banana Band). We will be playing on Friday, March 22, 2002 in Newport Beach, California at The Studio Cafe starting at 9 PM. We have the whole evening. It will be over 3 hours of the Dan-tastic music of our heros. We will be playing new songs (for our repertoire), so we cordually invite one and all to come out and see us. It is also our band leader's birthday. Mr. Sticks, our drummer is turning ... well ... is having his birthday that weekend, so it will be a festive occasion. We hope to see some of you come to our show.
I hope you all are doing well. Have a great weekend.
Steveedan
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 23:32:31
Since this is THE new place for breaking Steely Dan news...Let me be the first to bring you the bad news. No album, no tour this year. 2003 looks more like it. Don't ask me how I know, I know. Hey, it's par for the course. Not surprised on this end. Hoops, looks like any Danfests are going to be put off for at least another year. I was going to post this on the yellow book, but it always seems to be down. Anyway, don't kill the messenger....just thought the fine people of dandom would like to know what's going on. Maybe the "webdrone" will make it offical soon. After all, she "knows better " Aloha
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 22:47:26
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 20:25:01
8:30 PM EST
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 20:22:18
Looks like the yellow pages are down once again. I've checked and double checked and everything appears to be fine. Waiting for an answer from my hosting company support.
If this crap continues I'm going to have to think of a different way. These cheap hosting companies are killing me...
StAl
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 19:33:11
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 19:29:49
Date: Thurs, March 07, 2002, 15:02:02
Rich, long time no see and no post for me too! Hi!
I bet Joni Mitchell is taking her sweet time, collecting tributes slowly without a deadline.
Metheny is great! In your collective humble opinion is he jazz, rock or a fusion of the two?
Are there more Becker Fagen demos than just the 28 that came out on Catalyst, Roaring of the Lamb and others? I'm talking about from the period of 1968-71. Seeing Andy Metzger reminded me of that.
WoW
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Date: Wed, March 06, 2002, 21:01:51
You do have to register, of course, sorry about the cyber big brother thing
Date: Wed, March 06, 2002, 20:52:26
--New Orleans would be mighty fine. I got business around then. Will catch everyone on the list.
--Are there any other Steely Dan chatrooms besides the Banyan Trees one? My machine has problems, although another band's chatroom I get on works fine. Any tips????
--Pat Metheny and Fagen? What an incredible combo! Do tell more.
--Nice article on Citizen Steely Dan, Paul.
Sean
Date: Wed, March 06, 2002, 13:24:26
h
Date: Wed, March 06, 2002, 12:46:25
Date: Wed, March 06, 2002, 12:06:33
It's that time again.. time once again to join Long Island's favorite Steely Dan tribute, STEALIN' DAN for another couple of rousing sets at the DOWNTOWN in FARMINGDALE, NY. We're hitting at 9PM THIS THURSDAY, MARCH 7th, so put on your Bad Sneakers and join us at possibly the finest music room on Long Island. If you haven't been to the Downtown since they renovated, you owe it to yourself to check the place out. It's not the old Downtown, not by a long shot!
Once again, Stealin Dan, Long Island's only 13-piece Steely Dan tribute band takes the stage tomorrow/Thursday night, March 7, at 9PM at the Downtown in Farmingdale.
Please see http://thedowntown.com for further details and directions, or call 516-293-7700 for more info.
Hope to see you there!
Stealin' Dan
http://stealindan.com
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 21:02:57
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 20:49:58
Metheny is great---go.
Steely and Joni working on a project together will take eons to perfect to their standards.
superfluousdanfans.com
custerdome.com
steelyvibrations.com
igotthenews.com
andylied.com
metzgersband.com
skeevydan.com
stolendan.com, after-all, Andy has the most comprehensive boots collection, that exceeds probably even Steely Dan's.
R J
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 16:49:21
We tried, oh we tried to keep it undercover.
But if anyone is in the area of Canal and Bourbon on the 26th of April and happens to hear some acapella toning of Pearl of the Quarter, please don't waste your dime calling for substantial (and tax-wasting) law enforcement personnel.
That'll be us, on yet another skeevy and dubious mission to clear heads and add music to the world.
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 13:55:00
LP asks, "What's shakin'?"
Wormy and pals organizing a New Orleans Dan/JazzFest (LP, knew that, so I guess that is not new.)
Jazzfest Web Site:
To sign up for the New Orleans Danfest mail list:
All the other Danfests on tap are listed at http://dandom.com/danfests, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc. Milwaukee is postponed to sometime in the next few weeks as there was a really bad snow storm last weekend. Tony and Chris will let us know about the new date.
Thanks very much to jk's encouragement, I was able to just snag a half-way decent seat for Metheny this Friday night in Chicago. Small venue—Cadillac Pallace. Was good for a musical I saw there but not sure how Metheny will sound there. Haven't seen Metheny since the mid-1980s when I saw him a couple of times in a really great venue and one that sucked. The latter was a show on his "Song X" tour with Ornette Coleman. Terrible acoustic plus Coleman's love for dissonance. Well, you can imagine what it was like.
Andy, hopefully, this will give you the confidence of thinking you could do better.
http://www.andymousdandymous.com
http://www.andyworldthatimwelcum2.com
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 12:53:40
pre-sale for cool people like you are going on this week for philly
Philadelphia,PA Tower Theatre
and is already up for nyc.
spread the word.
happening only through the link on the travels page at www.patmethenygroup.com send out the word to everyone that you know.
speaking of now was most added at jazz radio and bubbling under on smooth jazz.
2. no one knows anything about the joni tribute as far as i know. strange!
jk
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 08:56:35
andy - pick a color, we have blue, we have yellow, we have purple, we have, well, whatever, and there's yahoo white too, of course - so how about the "red room"? it's fitting, no?
rumors, what rumors?
joni tribute still on the mixing board?
the boys still in hawaii?
the studio musicians all gainfully employed and/or doing solo work?
oh yes, i get it...no problem
hi hoops, what's shakin'?!?
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 02:47:12
Date: Tues, March 05, 2002, 02:14:09
So here's what I'm going to do...
I have put up a temporary site with all of the sound files at
http://www.best-techconsulting.net/~andy/. My ultimate plan is to get my own
domain-- hopefully within a couple of weeks. Which brings me to a question--
what should I call this site-- almoststeelydan.com? steelydanmania.com? As
you can see, my lack of creativity has me up against a wall. E-mail me your
suggestions (mandy@best-met.com) and I will hopefully find a suitable name.
I'll keep everyone posted on my progress--I'll be posting info on the
temporary site. Thanks for bearing with me.
Andy
Date: Mon, March 04, 2002, 20:34:45
I heard the blue bool is the new #1 place on the internet to find out about Steely Dan news, rumors and the latest in bootlegs. Congrats!
Date: Mon, March 04, 2002, 19:14:47
ANOTHER COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT?
(2002) This from my son’s Scooby Doo Sports Pack
This from the '96 tour caps………………Looks Familiar
Date: Mon, March 04, 2002, 08:28:30
I figure fellow Steely Dan fans would appreciate the views expressed by this reporter.
Earl
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 22:34:21
I've been listening to "The Very Best of John Coltrane," Miles Davis' "Ascenseur pour l'echafaud" sountrack by Miles Davis, and Talking Heads' "Sand In the Vaseline" compilation. As far as Dan CDs, "The Royal Scam" is getting the most rotation in my CD player these days.
Any word on a tour yet? It's March. I think we should hear this month, dontchathink?
R J
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 21:59:48
CITIZEN STEELY DAN
YOU might remember Steely Dan (the band, not the steam-power dildo in William Burroughs' "The Nake Lunch"). Maybe you've heard some of their hits--"Haitian Divorice" or "Do It Again" or "Rikki Don't Lose That Number." or "Kid Charlemagne." -- on celebrated thirtysomething and renowened Dan Fan Danny Baker's One FM Show. Perhaps your mum or dad (or--gulp--your gran or grandad?) own a few of their albums, say "Can't Buy A Thrill," their startling debut from 1972, "The Royal Scam," their mid-period apex from 1976, or "Gaucho," their bland-out sayonara from 1980.
However, do not under any circumstances be fooled.
What you see and hear is most definitely not what you get. The names a the centre of the Steely Dan saga, Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, may well put you in the mind of a team of solicitors; hey, they probably even resemble a couple of proto-slackers in their old press shots and a pair of bankers in their new ones; and their famous songs have the sort of good-natured bounce and slick melodiousness that make insults like "radio friendly unit shifters" and "grunge assassinating chart muzak" rise like bile to the lips.
Be careful, though. Steely Dan (Becker, Fagen plus a fluctuating line-up of teh finest session musicians in America) were--still are, to be entirely accurate, because they have just reformed to play live and record their first new material for 14 years--as hard as nails and as cruel as fuck. After the flowered-up naivety of the Sixties, "Can't Buy A Thrill" and brilliant second LP "Countdown to Ecstasy" arrived like a breath of cynical air to sweep away the dippy-trippy idealism of the Woodstock generation.
Sometimes cynical, often plain sarcastic, early Dantoons such as "Reelin' In The Years", "Show Biz Kids" and "Change of the Guard" bared their fansg at (and I'm guess here cuz, boy, these cats were cryptic) the burgeoning nostaligia industry, LA airheads and society in general, coming on like your snide older brothers, sneering behind their shades and fringes and tunes and enigmatic put-downs.
As the man who penned the sleevenotes for this box set (a lovingly packaged, chronological guide to the Becker/Fagen oevre) correctly states, Steely Dan coated their chillingly emotionless critiques of late-twentieth century mores in deceptively pretty colours, displaying a "revolutionary lack of sentimentality", kinda like punk orchestrated by Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, Ira Gershwin and all those other mellifluously malicious pre- and post-war songwriters.
Sure, the attitude was pure urban cool. And the wit was collegiate smart, (It's no coincidence that Don, he of the sardonic nasal twang, was an Eng Lit major). Yet the music had sweet FA to do with the previous 10 years of nice innovations. Steely Dan were no less nihilistic than, I dunno, The Stooges. It's just that, instead of Rolling Stone riffs and Chuck Berry solos, Becker and Fagen used East Coast jazz, Latin rhythms, saccharine harmonies and choruses worthy of Burt Bacharach or Hollywood musicals to make their (razo-sharp) points. Mmmm. Ouch!
Warning: these hippy accountants *bite*.
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 21:35:23
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 18:47:11
LP: shhhhhhhhhh ;-) (wink)
h
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 16:26:40
Albert Lea wrote,
"Ooops, talking about coming, I've forgot! I'm late for my masturbation class"
Yeah, you and Clas, both
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 11:52:26
have you sent your steely dan e-greeting today? it's a blast to give and receive!
happy friday!
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 07:43:46
This just in: Yellowknife, NWT, Whitehorse, Yukon dates added!
Wow... long time no see. I'm kind of out of this loop, to tell you the truth. I WILL try to catch up with all of you as soon as I can. I promise.
Yes, you heard it right, the dogs are barking and we are embarking on a tour of the Great North, the TRUE North strong and free.
Be there or be square, baby.
FYI, all locations are reachable by cargo planes, if you don't happen to have the Huskies handy.
Think of frequent flyer miles on that baby. WOOHOO!
For this special occasion, and this time only, we are adding Snowbound to the setlist as a fitting tribute to... snow. And boy do we have snow in store for YOU.
First come, first served. Don't trample each other on the way in. We will keep you posted on the details such as pricing, lodging, band lineup and the availability of the real Stompin' Tom Connors. (Yipee!)
What's that about listbots? You mean you got a spam robot now? How cool! I'll contact that Hoops fellow just as soon as his Mac stops acting up.
oleander - this time you can bring the frenchie. No problem. In fact, bring all the frenchies you know. These Eskimos speak something strange. We suspect it's French so we're gonna need all the help we can get.
Mark this on your calendar:
Soon
Somewhere up North, way North.
A few NB shows.
Details upcoming.
NB stands for NAKED BUNCH, by the way.
That's N-A-K-E-D B-U-N-C-H.
Dan, you know me. I'll buy you a beer, you buckaroo. Where would we be without you, eh? Really...
Dan, if you don't know already (and you should), is the Godfather of the tribute circuit, the master of the hommage. So be thankful for your greasepaint, clowns.
Yes, he's an artist, a pioneer. The first to circumnavigate the globe looking for Roger Waters's stamp of approval. And he almost got there!
Keep it up!
Steve, no please, by all means, email ME!
See you there!
Yours,
Rich, Founder of the NAKED BUNCH.
NAKED BUNCH, voted best tribute band with male backups, ANYWHERE, EVER.
THE NAKED BUNCH.
Accept no substitute.
March 1, 2002 04:02
IP: logged
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 95)
Date: Fri, March 01, 2002, 03:28:28
The Santa Ana Banana Band is doing a gig Sunday 8pm at the Frontline Warehouse, Danville, Kentucky.
Join!
Danville is a small town just south of Frankfort.
Frankfort is a bigger town, not much bigger though, located on Kentucky River.
Greyhoundbusses are available from Chicago - New York - Los Angeles. If you're coming, you better start going.
Ooops, talking about coming, I've forgot! I'm late for my masturbation class, got to go, I really don't won't them to begin before I get there.
Toodles!
February 2002 BlueBook Entries
Posted by: Steely Dan is More than Hair , Obviously, bad hair was Duran Duran's least notorious contriburtion to pop culture, let alone pop music. But talking about the Eighties got me thinking about Reagan-era music. After the Nightfly and before NY Rock and Soul Review, was there really any music that carried the torch for Steely Dan's wit and smart musical sense? For starters, Joe Jackson was as precise in creating music, but I don't think he was as funny.
Posted by: danduranfan, virginiahow anyone can get sick of duran duran is beyond me
Posted by: Raw Hide, Aja- What does that gay bar/Steely Dan comment you made... mean?
Posted by: Aja, @ hanging at the gay bar (gives posting a Steely Dan feel)hoops, et al who posted on Madonna being her own pimp-RIGHT ON! I've never laughed so loud-well, not in a while, anyway. That's exactly what she's done-been smart enough to realize the limits of her modest talent and brought in good people while simultaneously exploiting herself so not (too) many would notice this. Britney Spears is carrying on the fine tradition of shoving her boobs into the camera and getting rich while hoping no one will notice that she can't sing a note.
Posted by: W1P, Oh and Hoops, congrats on "number 9, number 9, number 9 . . . ." Isn't Wilco from Champaign?
Posted by: W1P, Los AngelesTangential thought re: Me, Myself & Irene. I have a special interest in this work because I am in the process of putting together something similar with the music of Pink Floyd. There is, of course, a tightrope to walk between the camp that says "why bother duplicating the originals" verses the camp that says "why interpret something so near perfection in the first place?" For the record, I think these competing camps have some merit. So I guess you might be wondering why I'm doing it. First of all, no matter how great the original, to me it's always great to hear a great song done differently (particularly when performed by yet another great artist). For example, the first time I saw Springsteen, the first song he played was "Who'll Stop the Rain" -- absolutely blew me away. I've got a boot with REM singing U2's "One" -- incredible. On Me, Myself, I love the Setzer, Smash Mouth and Wilco tracks and that makes the record worth having. As part of this Floyd project, I have recently acquired a number of existing Pink Floyd tribute albums just to get an idea of what's out there. I have two symphonic Floyd discs, a bluegrass Floyd disc, a female acoustic Floyd disc, an Electronica Floyd disc and a German progressive Floyd double disc. From all of this music, I've burned a CD representing the "best of" and I've got to tell you that it rocks. Most of it comes from the German CD ("Signs of Life") although there are a number of excellent tracks on the female acoustic CD. The others are pretty much novelties from my point of view. What's great about these collections is that they feature great versions of the "hits" and of more obscure cuts from the Floyd lexicon. Now with the Dan, there are fewer "obscure" tracks to choose from, but I'd love to see a Dan tribute Lp with versions of "rairities" like Dallas, I Mean to Shine, Second Arrangement or even alternative versions of album cuts like Cave of Altimira (with the extra verse). So, in light of all these random thoughts, what's our Floyd project going to sound like? Well, first of all Which One's Pink? is contributing two tracks which will be "like the record" (ala Setzer). Then the the W1P singer's original band is contributing two tracks which are "hard rock" versions of early Floyd songs (late 60s). Then there are a number of LA-based "inide" artists who are doing various interpretations (blues, "adult-alternative," folk etc.). In some ways, this will mirror what happened on Me, Myself -- a little alt, a little straight interpretation, a little folk . . . ). I know that people will love some of the tracks and probably be indifferent to others. I just hope that the hardcore and casual Floyd fan find tracks of merit on the finished product. In the final analysis, we undertook this project out of the pure love of the music and the excitement of recording Pink Floyd songs. I got the sense on Me, Myself that some of the artists weren't doing it out of love for the Dan. That will not be a problem with our record. Stay tuned -- I will post info on the project as it progresses.
Posted by: Steveedan, Happy 9th Birthday Hoops!
Posted by: Dano, Hoops my man , thanks for the info on that Irene soundtrack and your thoughts. I may spend some readies and purchase it.
Posted by: Over-the-Hill Wonder Waif , Hicksville, Spiritual Home of the DanHoops --
Posted by: Michelle, NJHey everyone!
Posted by: The Bear, Hoops!! Congrats on 9 years of the SD digest. You're the man!
Posted by: oleander, blowing out candleshoops!--Happy 9th anniversary to the Digest! LET'S HEAR IT, YOU SLACKERS!
Posted by: hoops, I bought it when it came out. I found it to be a curious novelty . I gave it three or four spins but have not returned to it since it came out almost two years ago. Some people are really keen on Brian Setzer's "Bodhisattva," and although it's a good match for Setzer, I didn't think it was different enough to excite me. There is a contigency of Dan fans on various SD Internet venues who aregue Ben Folds carries the torch of Steely Dan's music. So the Ben Folds covered "Barrytown," there were some great expectations, but I was disappointed.
Posted by: Dano, Scotland.Guys , Getting all the info back on this soundtrack to the movie,Me Myself ,Irene ,and wondering how many on the blue have the album and there thoughts on the tracks.Any good reviews of the cd would be welcome.
Posted by: W1P, wch1ispink@aol.comSaw Tracy on the Amnesty International Human Rights Now tour -- she sang part of Chimes of Freedom as part of the all star encore -- it made you realize how great she would sound with a full band.
Posted by: hoops, Chapman doesn't have major technical chops and certainly isn't slick. Obviously, she'd be a mismatch as a member of the Steely Dan Orchestra.
Posted by: Earl, DelawareYeah, that Tracy Chapman song "Gimme One Reason" was such an interesting, intricately designed song. I especially liked the extra-complicated 3-chord riff that hasn't been used much in music. The I-IV-V is a very strange pattern. And the lyrics, they are very deep, n'est pas? A pure innovator, that Tracy Chapman.
Posted by: Peg, At the pianoDudley Moore played a Mozart piano concerto (the C major one, for you classical fans) in concert here about 8 summers ago. He was brilliant. He did not try to show off technique like some classical pianists do, and that was what made it so good. He had such a love for and passion for the music. So all you got was music, without the schnazzy darn "look at me" distractions. All classical muscians should take a page from him. Feeling beats out show-off technique any day, in my book. He was a hellofa musician.
Posted by: Michelle, Hi everyone!
Posted by: hoops, Prince is definitely an eccentric eclectic who borrows a lot of other precedences and is very talented. although definitely not my personal fav. I remember the first time I heard Prince in 1979. It was "Wanna Be Your Lover," his sound made that much of an impression on me.
Posted by: Earl, The First StateMy Madonna point was that Prince never made a porno. Rick James never made a porno (that I know of). Frank Sinatra never made a porno.
Posted by: hooyah, .Hi BuzzHearts!
Richard Belzer, Actor, Comic, conspiracy theorist
John Hammond, 'Gentleman of the blues'
Moogy Klingman, keyboards and music director (formerly of Utopia)
Will Lee, Bassist & Vocalist of the Letterman/Shaeffer Late Night
Buzzy Linhart, guest of honor on Vocals and Vibes (No guitar for broken
finger!)
Posted by: DrMu, onel@stthingIf you haven't picked it up, "Bad Love" is the best album of 1999...
Posted by: DrMu, one down, eight to goHoops: Randy Newman's uncle Alfred (Don't Call me E) Newman is a highly acclaimed film composer. Alfred butlered an amazing 34 Oscar nominations, and garnered nine of those golden statuettes. Alfred is best known for writing one of the most ubiquitous ditties: the 20th Century Fox fanfare...
Posted by: LWO, workAnother one bites the dust....Andersen CEO resigns.
Posted by: hoops, Joni Mitchell made the observation that Madonna overcame being just a chick in a male-dominated record industry by instead shrewedly exploiting herself for her own financial success and popularity. She's the anti-Joni.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, Earl,didn't Prince & Rick James do the same thing,and they are REAL musicians!
Posted by: W1P, Agoura, CA"I'm so in love with you, Lady Blue." In case you SoCal Danners are interested, this Saturday, March 30th, Which One’s Pink returns to the Canyon Club, in Agoura, California. The Canyon Club graciously has agreed to give the first 250 of our fans who arrive for the show with a copy of this post or one of our fliers a FREE ticket to either of two upcoming shows at the club – The Fixx (4/26), or The Tubes (5/31) – it’ll be your choice!!! The Canyon is located at 28912 Roadside Drive in Agoura Hills (just past Woodland Hills). The phone number is (818) 879-5016. Take the 101 North and exit Kanan Rd. Make a left and the end of the off-ramp, and then a left onto Agoura road. The club is approximately 1/4 mile down the road on the left – look for the steeple!!
Posted by: Randy Reichardt, AlbertaThere is a web site out there that reviews DVD Audio discs. The web site is called Digital Audio Guide. On this site, contributors rate various discs. Included on the list is 2VN.
http://www.DigitalAudioGuide.com/dareview/music/ratings_highest.htm
rreichar@ualberta.ca
http://www.ualberta.ca/~rreichar
Posted by: fezo, listen to Frank Sinatra's "Strangers in the Night" a couple of times.
Posted by: Earl, The First StateI see it this way. A "real" musician doesn't need to use sex as a hook. Madonna has done that throughout her career...using blatant sexual indiscretions as the attraction to herself as the performer, hiding the fact she is substandard when it comes to music.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, I have to confess I always kinda liked Madonna!
Posted by: Siggy Housboe, Hewwo; My name is Sigmund “Siggy” Housboe, Swedish/Danish ahchitectuwal enineewr. With my wong kaweer in ahchitectuwal pwaktice and education, I tawt I could tawk to you about some of my favowit chawette expeeweences to inspiwer you. Here’s one; hopefoowee Ohweeander and hoops won’t mind. Maybe something like it will happen to you as a wesult of doing the Steely Chawette to design a Wock and Woll Hall of Fame Exhibit for your Herewoes.
Posted by: Dave, In the Two vs Nature CD booklet, there is a picture of two women rollerblading by the sea. Are they Libby Titus and Amy Helm? As Gina pointed out, Amy is Libby's daughter and Donald's stepdaughter. But it should be pointed out that Amy is the daughter of Levon Helm, one of the major forces behind The Band.
Posted by: Earl, SmellawareYeah, Schoopie, that Cher is a songwriter and performer like no one else. I mean, her music is SOOO innovative. I mean her last album sounded like a robot. She's gotta be the biggest sham in the biz, next to Janet Jackson (a.k.a. The Riff Thief) and Mariah Carey (who is only popular because she slept with a record executive).
Posted by: Gina, Searching Engines http://www.din.or.jp/~hideki-w/libbycontents.html
Posted by: Gina, Maastricht Sun Mountainhey Wendy :-) i emailed you already but also for others curious about Libby, information about her and some of her life before Donald can be found on the net. Her daughter Amy Helm is a singer and also present at Donald's Kamakiriad. Aaah, Laura Nyro .. yes!
Posted by: Schoops McCannabis, smokin' with the boys (and girls) upstairsHow could you forget a woman musician/songwriter like Cher?
Posted by: poops, mms nyro, of course.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ madeirathank you ed
Posted by: edbeatty, West of Gramercy ParkThe answer is below
Posted by: DrMu, Ladies, name the producer of "Walk the Dog and Light the Light"
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, in the kitchengypsy - you go, good call - of course we can continue onward and discuss laura nyro's known influence, sarah vaughn, but at some point we have to stop - lol
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, TO POOPS AND EVERYONE ELSE:
Posted by: John Mellencamp, play guitar uh huhHey Hoosier and the gang! There's only ONE female artist, and that's Joni Mitchell. Damn, I just ran out of Chesterfield Kings...the prescription ones laced with nitroglycerin because, you know...
Posted by: hoops, So here I am on a Sunday morning responding to "A Girl Named Poo." LOL!!! Where's Johnny Cash when you need him? Poo, Johnny...shit, I'm setting myself up for more shennanigans, LOL!
Posted by: Poops MCDonald's, .Hey gina. you go girl! stick up for libbyration titus fagen. i'm not a sexist but a realist. the fact is that there are only 3-5 women acts in popular music that are worth a spit: joni, carol king, and kate bush come to mind.(hey pink - let's get this party started!)
Posted by: Need to Know, Gina, no disrespect meant at all. Not an anti-woman thing, and I happen to be one. Rather, an anti-knee-jerk thing. Want to buy it because it's a good album and not because it was by someone's spouse. Just asking if it's worth the trouble of finding this hard to find CD. I have only seen it once. I can buy one or two CDs a month. Excuse me.
Posted by: Gina, Maastricht Sun MountainSt. Al has a link to Justin Morell in the hallway of the various Banyan Tree Branches, so anyone interested can check in there :-)
Posted by: Need to know, Other than for what I call the "bang factor" (e.g. she's Donald's wife), is there any reason to seek, pay good money for, and listen to Libby Titus' CD ? It came out in the 1970s. Seen it @ Tower.
Posted by: W1P father of Aja, Sherman Oaks, CARegarding Justin Morell -- your post prompted one of those strange everything is connected moments. You see, I am putting together a Pink Floyd tribute album featuring many different artists from the LA area covering Floyd tracks. Anyway, one of the people I asked to be on the record was the lead singer of a Genesis tribute here in LA called Cinema Show. His name? Shaun Guerin. His father? John Guerin. John Guerin has played on over 100 studio released Lps over a career that starts in the late 60s. Among the artists for whom John Guerin played drums? Yes, you guessed it -- Libby Titus. No, he's never appeared on a Steely Dan record. Anyway, this is all twisting in the breeze and of no interest to anyone but myself. Take care Blue People Group (so as to avoid copyright issues)
Posted by: Keith, Bard
Posted by: ed beatty, sunny san diego hi,
Posted by: ed beatty, sunny san diego hi,
Posted by: Whatevah happens, Paige:
Posted by: Paige, Guess WhoSo, who knows the name of the rap band that "sampled" "Black Cow" in a moderate rap hit, then was turned down by Walk and Don on an additional sampling request. The band proceeded to trash Steely Dan for their lack of "coperation." They threatened to throw away all of the SD CDs.
Posted by: Bard'83, I came back last week from Maui...I was in Paia and
Posted by: saul greenberg, Hoops or Poops: is either one straight ?
Posted by: Whatevah happens, Heard a really cool new instrumental version of I Got the News this morning on the local jazz station. I think the DJ said it was from some new "Music of Steely Dan" jazz CD from a guy named Justin Morell (sp?), a guitarist. John Guerin was on drums (awesome) and Tom Peterson on sax. All the songs on it are covers of SD tunes except for one where they took "Kings" and revamped it into an original. Anyone else heard this?
Posted by: So confused, Poops Mccannister, Hoops McCann, Schoops McCannabis...when will the maddening names stop! Oh the insanity!
Posted by: uno, After reading these posts, maybe poops *is* hoops! You zany guy, you!
Posted by: ya ya, The only problem I have with this aquabook is that it takes too damn long to load.
Posted by: oleander, zanymaniaPoo--She plays drums too. You can borrow her for Pensacola.
Posted by: Felipe, Hoops = Poops. No. Don't think so. Hoops is so tight I'd be surprised if he ever Poops.
Posted by: Johan, A Pepsicola Danfest... I haven't been this excited since Pepsi Free
Posted by: PoopsMc, pensicola, danfestDANFest UPDATE---------
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, Poopsville, USADear mr. earl - enough already! i've learned my lesson. how could i have thunk that i could spar with the likes of you. my hat is off to you and your rapier wit.
Posted by: hoops, Earl and others.
Posted by: Becker-Fagen 03, http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/When you think about it. There's no saying there'll even any be any touring or releasing in 2003. Not even an iota of an hint.
Posted by: Earl, Ahh...so your father's into violence
. I guess that's what happened to you, he beat you over the head too many times. Or was
it from all of that paint sniffing?
Posted by: mellow yellow, what's going on here? this place is starting to smell like the yellow. Oh, it must be clas........
Posted by: poops mccannister, -My dad can beat up your dad!
Posted by: Earl, SmellawareYou tell me...then we'll both know.
Posted by: Poops, One word earl: metamucil.
Posted by: Earl, SmellawareIt's unfortunate for the Dandom that Poops McCannister isn't a Saudi female without headdress.
Posted by: Poop, =Mike old boy
Posted by: Mikester, I missed last week's survey so I'm glad Poops has provided another survey!!!!! Grab a couple of cases of Tab!!! Let's take turns answering!
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopPat methany
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopOk. so who would you rather do?
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopI think that donald and walter should do a xmas album for their fan club like the beatles used to do!!!
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopAnd its about time maria carey showed us her new girls. soon no one will give a hoot(er).
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopYeah Right Oleander,
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopAnd another thing - has anyone gotten a decent french frie lately?
Posted by: Poops Mccannister, poopHey - what the fuk is the picture on the back of gaucho supposed to be, anyway?
Posted by: Paige, Well Put, HoopsI enjoyed reading your post from yesterday, Hoops.
Posted by: N. Cognito, Rikki's at http://www.iam2339.org/houston.htm
Posted by: oleander, up to hereChips--Mazel tov!
Posted by: Don't feed the yellow! , hoop's....you just got creamed over on the yellow. I don't care what they say, you really seem like a nice guy.
Posted by: Dave, Hoops
Posted by: hoops, This past Sunday's "The New York Times Magazine" was devoted to music. To be sure, there's the usual—maybe more than usual—degree of pretensiousness ("I wouldn't know what to think if it wasn't for 'The New York Times'."), but there were some pieces that dovetail with some topics being discussed here.
Posted by: hoops, Regarding YGK's post and other's emails inquiries, "my posts"about Clas outside of the BlueBook are really not my posts but instead, Clas apparently posting excerpts from an Email I sent to him a week ago, telling him to stop posting his shit on the BlueBook. I haven't made any posts on this topic anywhere but here on this page. Oops, "STOP FEEDING THE CLAS".
Posted by: Gina, Stockholm Sun MountainDoc Mu ..i like your way of story telling :-)
Posted by: YGK, New York CityHoops - saw your post here and on the yellow - it's a difficult task to follow, but, indeed, a high ground of a notable sort......
Posted by: hoops, I wouldn't say it exactly like "The Truth" says it, but Clas has been outright told he's not welcome here. A piss and vinegar attitude can be dead on and the best way to make a point, not to mention entertaining, especially considering the subversive spirit of our favorite duo. Anon posts are not necessarily a bad thing; for example they allow an vantage to be considered on its own without being attached to a preconceived notions about the person presenting it. Those are certainly worthwhile approaches to expression. And we've seen that if everyone posts agreeable posts, a guestbook can get pretty damn boring.
DON'T FEED THE CLAS.
Posted by: Chips, @lurkingThere's so many pseudo-names around here, I can't tell who is who anymore, or what color the page is.
Posted by: XXL, chicagoYGK (Truth)...
Posted by: The Truth, what a shame about clas No Clas...It's just that this is a guestbook for which you're not welcome... No one here cares about your music, your paintings, or any other bullshit you rant/brag about. Now go back to the yellow piss boy!
Posted by: KFC, AHEMI would like you to explain, if possible, in under 500 words, why my post got deleted. What am I, Clas's evil twin now?
Posted by: Peg, Sitting next to an open issueDr. Mu, thanks so for telling that story...what a story.
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @homedr mu - loved the story - sent it to my steely dan fan friends who stay away from these boards, very cool brush you had
Posted by: Q, Dr. Mu, not as a reaction to your subsequent post, but your Rikki story is super.
Posted by: DrMu, Not a lot and in the best sense possible...
Posted by: DrMu, on the other side of no tomorrowYes, Virginia, there IS life beyond Sweet's book. I've been reluctant to share the full story with some exceptions a few years ago on the Yellow GB and a few personal correspondences but...
Posted by: Cosmic WoW, I forgot to add at the end of the part about Rikki,
Posted by: Cosmic Wow, Steely Dan on Letterman in 1995 was better than 2000. Both times he came across as not knowing much. If he was really interested in the Dan he would have had them on the chairs for a chat or at least had a one liner that was actually Dan-related. Dont get me wrong, I watch Letterman a lot but I expected more when Steely Dan was on. There was no MAGIC!
Posted by: Wonder Ring, ED!!!!!
Posted by: DrMu, @theWesternWorldWondering: A bogus Bogus Personnal and no e-mail...hmmm...I'll simply say this: (a) the W&D mention in an interview in which the meaning of the song Rikki is addressed that they "knew someone who made quite an impression" on them and (b) I knew Rikki very briefly while she was taking some graduate hours some years ago...a delightful and energetic person...
Posted by: ed beatty, West of Gramercy ParkLP and others who clicked on the link
Posted by: GiraffeCam, D.C.Will they or won't they?
Posted by: WONDERING, Dr Mu....Paul Shaffer's cousin (Rikki) dated Donald? Could you please back this up?
Posted by: edbeatty, home at last Hi,
Posted by: DrMu, under a doubledecker busI think the Guys in interviews have mentioned Letterman cornering the market on cynicism years ago...having said that (1) Letterman's show was more my style when late Late on NBC with ex-girlfriend Merrill Markoe(sp?) providing an eccentric, insightful, and well... almost intellectual perspective behind the scenes & (2) Donald and Walter's decisions were probably largely based on Location: New York instead of LA - I think the reasons are obvious...
Posted by: Dave, When our boys were on Letterman, I got the impression that he doesn't listen to them that much. Surprising since Steely Dan was doing Letterman schtick long before. Not to mention the Dan have a helluva lot more bite. Leno blows. No wonder SD has never been on.
Posted by: Kid Clean, Leno gets off a few zingers now and then, but it's amazing how bland he can be, His humor is high school level. Letterman is far from perfect but he's a hell of a lot more witty. The late, late nite Gen X hosts are supposed to be funny in that they are not when they try to be. A kind of irony thing. Only they think they are supposed to be funny.
Posted by: Late Nite, Max Weinberg is great but Conan O'Brien sucks. Paul Schaffer is not Dan worthy. I watched Leno for the first time in years. He really sucks. Letterman is not as funny as the Dan but how can Leno be beating Letterman so regularly in the ratings? Craig Kibourne is in love with himself abd sucks most of all. Did you notice that when Steely Dan was Letterman, both times it was clear that Letterman knew little about the pioneering duo of irony. I guess I will stick with Koppel and the Politically incorrect guy.
Posted by: R J, The debate about downloadable music eating into record company and artists profits has been a hot one but I've noticed some new angles in the press in recent weeks. In some ways it's just like in the late 70s when record companies were pissed about home taping and wanted cassette sales to stop. We also know what they did to DAT becoming more powerful.
Posted by: John, Erie, PAI am beginning to think that the post about no tour is right.
Posted by: Amazing Dan, I was able to attend a show where Pat Metheny played with Donald Fagen. As others have described, Fagen was playing Lonestar Roadhouse in N.Y.C. on an on and off basis. Various players would show up for each gig. Luckily, I hit a night where Pat Metheny was a surprise guest. The absolute standout was SIGN IN STRANGER. Metheny did this amazing solo. I never expected to hear the Sign in Stranger, let alone Pat Metheny solo on it. I have no idea if Metheny showed up at any subsequent show, but after that night, I knew I was going to try and catch more of these shows. Amazing to think that this was 11 years ago. At the time it seemed like the beginning of Brave New Dan (and Don!).
Posted by: RJ, Funny Earl! I didn't get the Rosie and Steely Dan hand in hand joke until just now. Good one!
Posted by: R J, 1. Vicky Cave
Posted by: Mr.Samson, Greetings!
Posted by: Earl, DelawareSurvey answers (correct or not, who knows):
Posted by: Lars von Trier, Denmark1. Whoever did the backups on the Lone Star Roadhouse-recording -- now THOSE were singers!
Posted by: Anne de Siecle, Does Anyone Really Read These Things?1. Whoever did the backups on the New York Rock & Soul Revue recording -- now THOSE were singers!
Posted by: Silvio Berlusconi, Roma, ItalyDanfests. I am thinking of Danfests. Hmmm.
Posted by: oleander, flooredYou know, I was thinking of doing the guestroom floor in mousepads.
Posted by: Michelle, NJHi!
Posted by: angel, I have commented before on the fact that the direction of the PBS Plush show was not up to my personal standards of good television. The comments attributed to Roger Nichols, just confirm what I already suspected. A typical TV production is done with a line feed, sort of a live directing of the show and utilizing known information. Most solos are known ahead of time and cameras are assigned to get them. Then each camera is also recorded as an Iso. This covers any missed shots, improvisation, Donald spits at the camera, etc. Even with the tight shoot and airdate, this works for almost every production. The Plush is definitely flawed, but in spite of that, I do love it. I just wish I could see Jon's solo on Pretzel Logic, Donald tinkling on the Fender Rhodes more, or even Walter's solos. For each shot they gave us, they missed another one. I recently was priviliged to view the Manassas '96 video and found that, minus the obvious "college direction" look to it, the tape had good shots of most of the solos. The very thing that is missing on the "big budget" Plush. Well, at least now I know that Roger tried to fix it.
Posted by: hoops, Great story on Metheny! Incredible. Wish I could have been there. Leaves me breathless to read Pete's story.
Posted by: Dave, Regarding Pat Metheny playing with Donald Fagen, Pete Fogel and another guy posted a really fine story on this a while back at http://www.patmethenygroup.com
From: gary scharbo
gscharbo@hotmail.com
Nov 10 2000 09:42PM
Posted by: AudioFeel, My understanding is that Roger Nichols posted in one of his forums the following comments about the making of the Plush Video. Maybe someone could name the original source. Couldn't find it on RN's corner at EQ. Having made some rounds at other sites, where the response has been a bit disappointing, thought posting it here on the blue could pique some discussion. Here it is.........
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, Oh,BTW,even though I consider myself heterosexual,in my most amphierotic moments,I would take both Cynthia & Carolyn -LOL!!!!
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, Excuse me!
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @homeuh, thanks, i think...smirk
Posted by: A Steely Dan Fan, 1--Catherine Russell
Posted by: Hank Silvers, c/o Hugo SpaakIn response to lp's Tuesday 12 (not unlike the Friday Five):
Posted by: WhaTheFuk..., kay d-beefy and others lurking or needing something to post, here is your test:
Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ workhey to the blue book!
Posted by: N. Cognito, Stevie Wonder played at the "Presidential Gala" Sunday. When he came on stage, President Bush waved to him. (Maybe this news will make WB feel better about trying to shake Stevie's hand at the Grammies last year. Or maybe not)
Posted by: W1P, Le Bar BatHey Crabby RI, let's not forget another key aspect of Pete's coup that weekend -- Blue Lou Marini who slugged his way through most of the nearly 5 hour set at the helm of a terrific horn section!
Posted by: Crabby Rhode Islander, Yes, Hoops, the Steely Damned are a fine, fine cover band. Steely Dan said as much in the plush video. However, the extra special part of the N.Y. Danfest was Fogel getting Bernard Purdie, Chuck Rainey and Elliott Randall to top-bill the stellar three-night fest.
Posted by: hoops, There are a number of Danfest Lists -- the full list is at http://www.dandom.com/danfests in the right column.
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Posted by: Keith Thomas, Hey everyone!
Posted by: snowbound, UKI'm coming to San Diego ( 16th - 19th mar ) from the U.K. Is there any live music of note at this time and where is the best places to hang out.
Posted by: Charette, REMINDER: DUE APRIL 1: SUBMISSIONS TO THE CHARETTE AND TO THE TEC MO COMPILATION!! DON'T DELAY!!
Posted by: W1P, Los AngelesTwo pieces of info -- (1) There are multiple screenings of Tribute The Movie at South by Southwest this week -- check out http://www.tributethemovie.com if you are gonna be down deep in the heart of Texas this week and (2) Mike Keneally will be performing a tribute to Frank Zappa at the Coachhouse in San Juan Cap on Wednesday March 13 (hey St. Al too bad he's not doing that show on 4/13, eh?) -- THAT will be worth the price of admission. Any news on the Steely Damned for 4/12?
Posted by: StAlphonzo, *SIGH*
Posted by: The Webclone, nigeylennon.com Hi Hoops and Bluebookers --
Posted by: Andy Metzger,
Posted by: Andy Metzger, Yo!
Posted by: Steveedan, Hoops - Song For Bilbao was originally on tMetheny's double live album called "Travels" (at least, I am pretty sure that was it's first appearance.) Lyle Mays' keyboard solo was fantastic, one of my all-time favorites. Travels is an very nice collection of tunes.
Posted by: Keith Thomas, Owings Mills, MDOn friday, I shrugged when I heard that the Randallstown Kmart near where I live was closing since I go there, but I was devasted to hear no tour this year. Then I guess I am a yuppie whose income doesn't depend on working at Kmart. I'll be in denial about the tour/album until it's official.
Posted by: gypsywomaninafairytale, I must be a musician,then!
Posted by: R J, Andy. What do you think of my hostname ideas?
Posted by: hoops, Saw Metheny last night at the Palace Theatre in Chicago. The Palace in Chicago is very similar to The Palace in Times Square in NYC.
I think they were designed and/or built by the same people, just to give you a sense of the acoutics which are even more important at a show like Metheny's.
Posted by: StAlphonzo, Yellow book is back online!
Posted by: StAlphonzo, Yellow Book Update: No end in site. Hosting company has morons for technicians. Afraid I'm going to have to move it again. However, it's becomming apparent the problem isn't the individual hosting companies, but the why their business models are setup. YOu have to install an awful lot of websites on a single server at $15 a month to make any money. When you have to share these resources with, say, 300 others (I counted them) it's only natural the server would bog down.
Posted by: Old Timer, This is a nice place. Thanks for hosting it. The Lone Star story is cool. Too bad if there is no tour this year but not surprising.
Posted by: Lou, ---Hi!
Posted by: Q, Stevee dude - I will be happy to accomadate. Just email me - the email address is real!
Posted by: Steveedan, Hi Michelle - I was writing my post when you posted your post, so I am writing a post-post before I get tied to the whipping post ... argghhh.
Posted by: Steveedan, There is a DVD for Joni Mitchell's Shadows And Light tour with Jaco Pastorius (the afore-mentioned drug scene -- cocaine and heinikens --), Pat Metheny, Lyle Mays, Michael Brecker, and others. I have seen it, but I cannot find it. I think that it is only available through Hong Kong, and is therefore a bit expensive, but it is a great DVD showing a great performance. If anyone knows of a domestic-based vendor for this DVD, I would love to know.
Posted by: Michelle, New JerseyT.G.I.F.!!!!!
Posted by: jk, i'm not pete fogel - he is the king. im jk. been on the blue book for ten years - the piss book before that. contributed to metal leg.
Posted by: Sloe-eyed Creature, in the Reckless RoomAlright J.K., you got my appetite all whetted. Who are you and what do you have to do with Metheny? Why are you booking him with Donald Fagen? I also vaguely remember hearing something about Pete Fogel and the Metal Leg fans being there. How were they part of that scene? Would you be Pete?
Posted by: hoops, No, I sure don't know who Bad News and Bad News is Correct are, but they sure are convincing. Assuming this ends up the case, I will clearly have to take certain medications and substances to cope. Then again, at least I won't have to suffer the maddening anxiety/paranoia that my moving day this summer will coincide with the only show which features "Almost Gothic." Or maybe it means another year to shamelessly procrastinate on completing the Rotterdam, Frankfurt and Düsseldorf Danfest iMovie pages. I dunno…
Posted by: "Bad" news correct, 100% correct- no tour or album in 2002
Posted by: YGK, New York CitayJust wanted to say hello to hoops and the gang here - hey, man, you goin to Nawlins? Gonna be a blast.....
at Coogans
169th and Broadway
A Train or 1/9 to 168th Street
"meet me at no particular place - at no particular time"
see you all soon
Posted by: Q, JK - I told you I would take care of you !(couple weeks at latest) - but if you get them first...
Posted by: Steveedan, I will let you know about the Gaucho Outtakes just as soon as I get back from the El Greco concert. I hear there will be an art exhibit of Steely Dan inspired paintings in the green room, but you have to know somebody.
Posted by: DrMu, call my shrinkBad News: Yeah, its hard to get a lot done once those trade winds kick up...those rumors regarding WFAV turned out to be completely...untrue...for 7 seconds it's like Christmas Day, then it's dark again...
Posted by: jk, i think at this point pat metheny is beyond classification. although he insists tha he is a jazzer, some of his compositions are just - music. in fact, i think that sometimes he comes close to wrecking some songs with jazz solos.
Posted by: Your Name, Your location/Other CaptionThe Next One? Pick a Tuesday in October, this year, we said, expletive deleted.
Posted by: Holy Cow!, biloxiJesus Maria Magdalena! El Greco's doing “Born to be Wild” again.
Posted by: Steveedan, Venice Beach, CaliforniaGood morning, Blue Book Guests ...
Posted by: Bad news breaking....., in 18-AHi everybody,
Posted by: anon, Any word on the new album?
Posted by: Guest 8, working at homein chat at the banyan trees, at least that's working, come on in!
Posted by: StAlphonzo, Hey now!
Posted by: Mumbly Wumbly, What da fuck's with the YellowPages? Why are they down again?
Posted by: Mumbly Wumbly, Marshmallow bunnies roasting on an open fireNice story about roasting marshmallow bunnies. When do we hear the story about Fagen/Metheny and others. Throw another log on it.
Posted by: Cosmic WoW, Sean, The yellow book has a second chatroom that might work better for you. But since the fans all hang out at the yellow's first chat room, you might have a hard time getting them to visit the second. Maybe a chat time at either Chips room or the second yellow chat would be a good one................................
Posted by: Chips, yawning at workSean - I do have a chat room in the steely dan club I started last summer in TalkCity, but it rarely gets used - perhaps if we chose a chat time, you could use it as an alternative and others may join in as well - let me know what you think - here is the URL for the club:
http://j.talkcity.com/GroupHome?group_id=226736
Posted by: Sean, Quincy, Mass.--When I go to Andy's site it's to either get the skinny on some gossip or new rumors, or to catch some of the naughty sound files he has. That said, igotthenews.com gets my vote, maybe crosslisted as igottheboots.com
Posted by: hoops, W1P: Mr Thirsty submitted that to the Dandom Digest but there won't be a Digest before his show. So I put it up on the BlueBook so it might be seen. As you know, always getting my weirdo jollies helping the Dandom. Put it up at SIS GB too.
Posted by: W1P, LAMr Thirsty -- shouldn't you also post that info in the Yellow?
Posted by: Mr. Thirsty, LONG ISLANDHey Dan Fans,
Posted by: RJ, againP.S. Andy----maybe your site being down is a good thing since we get to see you elsewhere. Come out and play more often, not just when your site is down :-)
Posted by: R J, Jazzfest is great---go.
Posted by: Jim#, I feel compelled to weigh in here and thank Hoops for the Jazzfest nod, and the bandwidth thereto.
Posted by: hoops, Yo!
http://www.nojazzfest.com
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Posted by: jk, jkpat metheny gpoup tix!!!!
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Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ vanilla lattezman - it's....well, it's an outrage! it reminds me of the fake-jazz-cult-ramada inn barroom - classic song "my attorney bernie": "he says to sue, we sue..."
Posted by: Clas, xZMAN - it's this connection: Steely Dan & Great Danes.
Posted by: Andy Metzger, Andy Metzger's Steely Dan PageSadly, my Steely Dan site has been taken down for reasons beyond my control....forces beyond anyone's control. The mysterious forces of global capitalism have played a mean trick on you and me. In other words, the company who hosted it-- Excite@home went belly up, and basically closed up shop. This wouldn't be a huge problem except for the
fact that they told me that the web pages they host will continue to operate
as usual, under different management. Apparently this was not the case.
Posted by: Yooooowie!, Hoops!
Posted by: Zman, in VegasWith talk of the Dan borrowing from Keith Jarrett, etc. Look at this tell me if there is a suit pending?
Posted by: Earl , DelawareThis is tangentially Dan in nature, but I thought was a provocative article on the state of the music biz.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/718662.asp
Posted by: R J, Enjoyed the article, Paul. The Brits have a special liking for Steely Dan, at least it seems they are popular in a unique and heady way there.
Posted by: Paul Lester, UK--"METAL URBANE" Melody Maker Jan 8 '94STEELY DAN
Posted by: W1P, LAHey "Rich" I cannot be the godfather of tribute bands since there were many, many fine tributes in existence long before I helped put together Which One's Pink? (among these pioneers, Wild Child, Sheer Heart Attack, The Atomic Punks, Sticky Fingers and of course, from San Diego, The Steely Damned). So I neither seek nor do I deserve any "credit" (if you can call it that, after all we're talking about tribute bands here). What I will say is that it's been a lot of fun watching performances from a vast array of fine musicians perform the music that they love, that their audiences love and that I love. For more fun, check out http://www.tributethemovie.com
Posted by: hoops, Every Saturday morning, WXRT, 93.1 FM in Chicago—the so-called "Fine Rock Station," or as I call it the "Yuppie Rock Station"--has a show called "Saturday Morning Flashback" where they "go back in time" to review a year through events, music and pop culture. Tomorrow morning they go back in time to 1974—and quite appropriately, the commerical for this show plays the title track from "Pretzel Logic."
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Posted by: luckless pedestrian, @ more coffeehoops - i thought the significance of the birds/bunnies was in response to the CHIRP CHIRP postings from SIS? if it was, i thought that was a riot! and i was NOT the culprit of the CHIRP CHIRP stuff btw...:O
Posted by: Rich, Ain't that?HI HO HI HO!
Posted by: Albert Lea, MinnesotaHey now cityslickers!